1 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:22,450 [Music] 2 00:01:03,990 --> 00:01:01,430 hello and welcome to the show i'm martin 3 00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:04,000 willis your host and we have a i think 4 00:01:08,870 --> 00:01:06,000 we have a great show tonight we it's 5 00:01:10,550 --> 00:01:08,880 packed full we have avilobe coming up uh 6 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:10,560 we have my friend mark d'antonio i'm 7 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:11,920 actually going to bring them both on 8 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,880 together 9 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:13,920 because we're going to be talking about 10 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,920 the galileo project i'm pretty excited 11 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:17,920 about talking about that 12 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:18,640 and 13 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:21,280 we can all help with this too this is uh 14 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:23,520 something i was alerted um for i was on 15 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:25,600 a podcast a while back the basement 16 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:27,920 hangout with some real fun guys i 17 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:29,920 suggest anyone check that out they do a 18 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,840 lot of ufo things 19 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:33,840 chad and bob over there and they said 20 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,880 hey avi's just set up this funding where 21 00:01:40,469 --> 00:01:38,400 anybody can fund because it's real 22 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:40,479 tricky when it comes to harvard 23 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:42,079 funding harvard it has to be a fifty 24 00:01:46,469 --> 00:01:44,000 thousand dollar donor or above and they 25 00:01:47,990 --> 00:01:46,479 have to be vetted um but there's a kind 26 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:48,000 of a workaround then i'm gonna be 27 00:01:52,389 --> 00:01:49,840 talking to avi about that where anyone 28 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,399 can pitch in and i plan to and i hope i 29 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:54,479 hope more people can help because we're 30 00:01:58,950 --> 00:01:55,759 going to talk a little bit about that 31 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:58,960 and the process of what avi is trying to 32 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,159 do 33 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:03,119 um so i also have ted rowe uh coming in 34 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:04,719 as well and he's going to be talking 35 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:07,600 about some interesting things with nasa 36 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:10,000 and well actually 37 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:12,080 aeronautics research and aviation 38 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:14,959 research in the uap taking it 39 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:17,680 scientifically more on that so 40 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:21,760 um i also i do want to say that uh last 41 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:24,720 week i had a guest on and i was talking 42 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:26,720 about uh working with a really good 43 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:29,440 friend of mine and how he's an antique 44 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:32,400 guy and he works like crazy anyway uh 45 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:34,160 another friend of mine who actually 46 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:35,599 works with him 47 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,120 send me a text and i want to give a 48 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:39,840 shout out to dalton meter 49 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:41,840 dan meter a good friend of mine works 50 00:02:46,869 --> 00:02:44,000 like crazy too and he he was listening 51 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:46,879 in atlanta he said that sounds just like 52 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:48,480 my uncle 53 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:50,560 dan i wonder 54 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:53,280 if he's talking about dan so he texts 55 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:54,800 his uncle and said 56 00:02:58,710 --> 00:02:56,720 i do you happen to know a guy named 57 00:03:00,630 --> 00:02:58,720 martin willis and dan and i have known 58 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:00,640 each other for years anyway little shout 59 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,280 out to him it's kind of funny how 60 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:05,760 uh you know one thing antiques and ufos 61 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:07,680 somehow goes together sometimes i don't 62 00:03:12,869 --> 00:03:10,560 know exactly why ancient aliens maybe i 63 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:12,879 don't know uh what that's about but 64 00:03:18,149 --> 00:03:15,280 anyway uh the blog written by charles 65 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:18,159 lear as every week is a ufo flap in 66 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:20,400 virginia 1965 67 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:22,480 and that's another fascinating one 68 00:03:28,149 --> 00:03:25,200 remember all these go into audio blogs 69 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:28,159 uh about the end of the week or first of 70 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:31,120 the next week uh he's a real busy guy he 71 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:32,640 just moved back across country to new 72 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:34,560 york and he's still writing these blogs 73 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:36,720 and doing the audio blogs and thank you 74 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:39,920 for that charles so um i think i want to 75 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,640 jump right in and bring our guests avi 76 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:44,080 loeb harvard 77 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:46,480 rv loeb and to talk about the galileo 78 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:48,080 project and also 79 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:50,720 mark how are you guys 80 00:03:55,710 --> 00:03:53,840 thanks for having us likewise yeah 81 00:03:58,550 --> 00:03:55,720 yeah avi you have done 82 00:04:00,550 --> 00:03:58,560 1100 interviews 83 00:04:02,470 --> 00:04:00,560 and you are on you were on with i was on 84 00:04:05,990 --> 00:04:02,480 the same podcast the week before with 85 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,000 chad and bob uh really fun fun guys and 86 00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:08,480 they they were hilarious talking to you 87 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:10,959 they dared to ask really silly questions 88 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:14,400 like is his bigfoot next 89 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:15,920 well i i don't think there are silly 90 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:18,000 questions so usually there's the answers 91 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:19,040 but 92 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:23,280 things i i know it was a while since you 93 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:25,280 were on but one of the things i really 94 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:27,919 really like your approach because 95 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:30,880 it's how all things really are created 96 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:32,320 in the world if you think about it you 97 00:04:35,590 --> 00:04:34,160 have to act like a child with an 98 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:35,600 imagination 99 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:37,280 and i was watching something on the 100 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:38,880 creative brain it was called something 101 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:41,120 like that a documentary and how people 102 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:44,080 have to think so outside of the box 103 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:47,040 and one of the architects there said hey 104 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:48,560 you know picture of the empire state 105 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:49,600 building 106 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,440 just picture it it's always been there 107 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:53,280 as far as we know you know but someone 108 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:54,880 had to think that up 109 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:56,560 someone had to think that design up you 110 00:05:00,469 --> 00:04:58,639 know it always starts from a thought 111 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:00,479 everything starts from a thought right 112 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:02,560 imagination and some you know some 113 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:04,880 defenders of science are actually 114 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:06,800 hurting it because they are not paying 115 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:09,039 attention to unusual evidence 116 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:11,520 and unconventional ideas eventually 117 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:14,080 become conventional look at the 118 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:16,880 the lab leak theory about covid you know 119 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:19,680 a year ago it was laughed at and now the 120 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:21,440 biden administration is about to get a 121 00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:23,120 report 122 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:26,160 any minute uh about it there's a serious 123 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,919 matter and 124 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:29,759 it just illustrates that we should be 125 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:31,520 guided by evidence we should keep our 126 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:34,800 eyes on the ball not on the audience 127 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:37,039 right and i i heard you say that on 128 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:39,520 their podcast i'm wearing neil 129 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:41,360 degrasse tyson's shirt 130 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:43,440 it's all stardust a very good close 131 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:45,680 friend of mine gave this to me but um 132 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:47,600 and i heard what you said 133 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:49,680 um and i've i've given him a little bit 134 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:51,199 of criticism because of the way he 135 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:53,280 treats the ufo topic 136 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:54,560 with 137 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:55,919 such ridicule 138 00:06:00,309 --> 00:05:57,440 and basically 139 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:00,319 i like what you said you said he is 140 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:02,800 addressing an audience not science right 141 00:06:08,309 --> 00:06:04,800 he cares a lot about the number of likes 142 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:08,319 he gets on twitter and the point is that 143 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:10,080 you know that's not the way science 144 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:11,440 should be guided science should be 145 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:13,120 guided by evidence and you know 146 00:06:16,469 --> 00:06:14,560 especially when you see something 147 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:16,479 unusual it should be intriguing you 148 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:18,639 should be excited by it rather than 149 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:20,720 ridiculing it because you want to stay 150 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:22,800 in your comfort zone that's the wrong 151 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:25,520 attitude and i think anyone that is used 152 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:28,000 to making discoveries in science or 153 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:31,360 innovating and taking risks you know 154 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:33,280 would admit that 155 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:36,000 you must allow for the evidence to guide 156 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:37,680 you rather than assuming that you know 157 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:39,840 the answer in advance because then it's 158 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:41,680 a self-fulfilling prophecy you will not 159 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:44,160 collect the data that would allow you to 160 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:47,039 learn something new and that's a very 161 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:48,400 simple idea 162 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:50,639 nevertheless people have a hard time 163 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:53,039 accepting it you know starting from the 164 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:55,039 philosophers during the days of galileo 165 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:56,160 that refused to look through his 166 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,400 telescope because they knew that the sun 167 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:00,560 moves around the earth and 168 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:02,639 you know even a month ago there was an 169 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:05,440 article in the nature mag astronomy 170 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:08,080 magazine by a philosopher arguing that 171 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:10,240 omuamua this strange object that was 172 00:07:15,990 --> 00:07:13,120 discovered in 2017 didn't look like a 173 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:16,000 comet or an asteroid that strange object 174 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:18,560 must be natural he said this 175 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:20,639 philosopher and i thought to myself 176 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,080 haven't we learned something over the 177 00:07:26,710 --> 00:07:24,240 past four centuries 178 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:26,720 right now i'm going to have mark ask you 179 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:28,400 like the real nitty gritty of the 180 00:07:34,469 --> 00:07:31,199 galileo project as far as the technology 181 00:07:36,309 --> 00:07:34,479 uh mark has actually worked on uh for a 182 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:36,319 number of years on something i don't 183 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:38,400 want to say similar but he he knows 184 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:41,840 enough to ask uh the right questions but 185 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:43,680 before that i just wanted to address one 186 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:45,120 quick thing and that i was kind of 187 00:07:49,749 --> 00:07:47,840 surprised to see that seth shaw stack 188 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:49,759 from seti was part of the team 189 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:51,440 seth shawsak is also someone that 190 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:54,639 ridicules um you know the idea of ufos 191 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,960 uh the possibility that they could be 192 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:58,560 extraterrestrial here on this show i 193 00:08:02,629 --> 00:08:00,240 never say that i know they're 194 00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:02,639 extraterrestrial because i don't but he 195 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:04,800 just even the thought of it he just goes 196 00:08:07,990 --> 00:08:05,599 well 197 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:08,000 so apparently he changed the his 198 00:08:12,550 --> 00:08:10,720 attitude by 180 degrees because he wrote 199 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:12,560 the scientific american article where he 200 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:14,960 supports the galileo project now he's 201 00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:17,840 not a member of the research team he's a 202 00:08:21,029 --> 00:08:20,240 member of the scientific advisory board 203 00:08:22,309 --> 00:08:21,039 and 204 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:22,319 you know we 205 00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:24,000 in the research team are following a 206 00:08:27,909 --> 00:08:24,879 path 207 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:27,919 uh that we can talk about that involves 208 00:08:32,469 --> 00:08:29,919 selecting instruments and then testing 209 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,479 them and eventually taking data he is 210 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:34,479 more of an advisory 211 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:37,760 uh in an advisory capacity and right now 212 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:39,519 he's quite supportive of what we are 213 00:08:44,389 --> 00:08:42,719 doing so that that illustrates the the 214 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:44,399 fact that you know people can change 215 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:46,160 their views and you shouldn't pay too 216 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:47,519 much attention to what they say you 217 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:50,000 should be guided by the desire to get 218 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:52,080 more data more evidence 219 00:08:55,509 --> 00:08:53,760 yeah and i know funding is a big part of 220 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:55,519 that and that's always something he's 221 00:08:58,630 --> 00:08:57,360 afraid of and we'll talk more about that 222 00:09:00,070 --> 00:08:58,640 in a minute but mark do you have a 223 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:00,080 question for 224 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:02,720 for avi yeah well actually uh it's great 225 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,720 to see you again avi um 226 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:06,160 when we were 227 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:08,080 you know in the past few months i 228 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:09,920 implemented a remote observatory out in 229 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:11,519 the arizona desert 230 00:09:14,630 --> 00:09:13,200 uh and i run it from here i'm in 231 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:14,640 connecticut so 232 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:17,440 it's 2500 miles away i can access it and 233 00:09:20,630 --> 00:09:19,760 work with it take imagery and so forth 234 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:20,640 um 235 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:22,080 it's a wide wide-angle 236 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:24,240 view so i get you know like a two degree 237 00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:26,720 field so it's kind of interesting um and 238 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:28,480 that telescope behind me right there is 239 00:09:32,389 --> 00:09:30,959 actually for this observatory here in 240 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:32,399 connecticut we're making a new building 241 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:34,320 so we have two that are going to run on 242 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:36,640 the east and west coast right so my 243 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:39,120 question becomes 244 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:40,240 what 245 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,200 planning to use for galileo right 246 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:47,760 so we plan to have it 247 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:50,000 each telescope system will have a few 248 00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:52,000 telescopes so that we can get a parallax 249 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:53,519 in other words see the object from 250 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:56,240 different directions to map its motion 251 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:57,839 in three dimensions 252 00:09:59,430 --> 00:09:58,640 uh 253 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:59,440 so 254 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:01,440 those telescopes may not have high 255 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:03,279 resolution they 256 00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:06,720 would potentially be able to uh resolve 257 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:09,279 a feature the size of a cell phone 258 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:12,240 on an object at the distance of a mile 259 00:10:15,269 --> 00:10:14,320 that roughly would be their resolution 260 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:15,279 and 261 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,320 that would allow us to track the motion 262 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:20,560 of unusual objects of course if it looks 263 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:22,000 like a bird 264 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:24,320 then we don't care too much about it if 265 00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:26,800 it looks like a drone or an airplane we 266 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:28,720 also don't care about it anything that 267 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:31,040 is human made would be for us as boring 268 00:10:34,230 --> 00:10:32,640 as a bird 269 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:34,240 and we you know i'm sure there are 270 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:36,000 residents of washington dc that would 271 00:10:40,150 --> 00:10:38,240 care a lot about an object that says 272 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:40,160 made in china made in russia but for us 273 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:42,320 it's not really exciting and what we 274 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:44,079 would look for are other types of 275 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:45,440 objects now 276 00:10:50,470 --> 00:10:48,160 in order to be able to get a high higher 277 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:50,480 resolution image we will need a bigger 278 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:53,760 telescope within that system but all the 279 00:10:57,670 --> 00:10:56,160 data will be fed to state-of-the-art 280 00:11:00,790 --> 00:10:57,680 cameras that 281 00:11:02,790 --> 00:11:00,800 we are starting to test now and then 282 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:02,800 the key is really the computer system 283 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,480 that will uh 284 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:06,720 filter objects of interest out of the 285 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:08,480 data stream it will be a huge data 286 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:10,800 stream that we can store but once we 287 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:12,560 identify an object of interest we'll 288 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:16,320 track it and collect data on it 289 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:18,880 both from reflected sunlight during the 290 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:21,920 day or from infrared emission during the 291 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:23,680 night and day 292 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:25,279 by the object you know if an object 293 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:28,160 moves faster than sound in air it should 294 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:31,760 heat up we know it from supersonic 295 00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:34,000 airplanes we know it from the 296 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:37,279 the space shuttle uh they both got 297 00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:39,839 heated up by hundreds of degrees and 298 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:41,519 that kind of temperature emits in the 299 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:43,519 infrared and you can see it at night 300 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,920 this glow this heat 301 00:11:49,269 --> 00:11:47,680 and then of course we'll have radar 302 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:49,279 systems and 303 00:11:54,389 --> 00:11:52,560 look for radio reflection or emission by 304 00:11:56,710 --> 00:11:54,399 by the objects of interest and 305 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:56,720 altogether we want to use multiple 306 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:58,160 wavelengths and 307 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:00,160 so that we can verify that it's a real 308 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:01,839 object and it's it's not 309 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:04,000 a phenomenon in the atmosphere it's not 310 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:06,320 some weather pattern 311 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:07,920 and that will take some time for us to 312 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:10,639 build the software and to put together a 313 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:12,959 set of instruments that we buy 314 00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:14,240 off the shelf 315 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:16,639 uh so that it performs to our 316 00:12:21,509 --> 00:12:18,880 satisfaction once we have such a system 317 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,519 in place then we will produce copies of 318 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:23,440 it and the number of copies that we 319 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:25,760 produce depends on the level of funding 320 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:28,000 so as of now i received over the past 321 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:30,720 month donations commitments for 322 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:32,560 donations at the level of 323 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:33,680 up to 324 00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:36,079 two million dollars and that would allow 325 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:39,279 us to have perhaps 10 such systems 326 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:40,720 that's not enough we did some 327 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:43,200 calculations about the statistics of uap 328 00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:46,320 reports and we need more like a hundred 329 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:48,399 or hundreds of substitutions so it's 330 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:50,800 very good that you have one or two but 331 00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:53,120 but the point is it really needs to be 332 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:55,519 hundreds in order to cover enough of the 333 00:13:00,870 --> 00:12:58,079 sky and have a high likelihood of seeing 334 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:00,880 something of the type that was reported 335 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:04,800 uh to congress and uh we hope to get the 336 00:13:09,190 --> 00:13:07,040 funded at the level that is 10 times 337 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:09,200 bigger than we currently are 338 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:11,760 and that's this the origin for this 339 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:14,320 crowdfunding that we started we we hope 340 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:16,560 to get up to 10 million 20 million 341 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:17,839 dollars and then we can do a 342 00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:21,040 comprehensive study and and definitely 343 00:13:25,269 --> 00:13:22,959 the data will be open to the public 344 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:25,279 everyone would be able to use it and 345 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:27,200 analyze it so there will be nothing 346 00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:30,480 hidden and the the instruments that we 347 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:33,279 will use will all be under full control 348 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:35,440 there will not be like a camera in a 349 00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:38,240 jittery cockpit of a jet a fighter jet 350 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:38,959 you know 351 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:40,560 right there'll be control systems that 352 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:41,519 can 353 00:13:46,389 --> 00:13:44,160 target specific locations 354 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:46,399 and you might ask why astronomical 355 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:48,240 observatories that exist right now that 356 00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:50,160 are looking at the sky never report 357 00:13:55,189 --> 00:13:52,399 about uap well the answer is simply if 358 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:55,199 there is a bird flying above a telescope 359 00:13:59,910 --> 00:13:57,600 uh astronomers ignore it but we will 360 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,920 monitor it we will track it well the 361 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:01,680 other thing is too that usually those 362 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,040 observatories are not wide angle 363 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:05,040 observatories actually just like like a 364 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:06,560 pencil point in the sky right so they're 365 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:09,120 only looking at narrow ranges 366 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,480 and so the likelihood of something 367 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:12,720 passing through is it's very unlikely if 368 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:14,240 you put a cork in a bathtub and look 369 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:16,320 through a straw and try to find the cork 370 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,440 you may never find it right no because 371 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,760 you see that's exactly the reason that 372 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,240 we decided after 70 years of people 373 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:26,480 reporting about unusual objects you know 374 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:28,560 and it may well be a mixed bag maybe 375 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:31,040 most reports have some mundane 376 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:33,199 explanations you know but we are sending 377 00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:34,480 our hooks 378 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,639 and whatever fish we find it's like a 379 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,399 fishing expedition we don't assume 380 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:40,720 anything and we will report back 381 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,560 whatever we find and 382 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:44,800 maybe we will not find any interesting 383 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:48,240 fish but um maybe we will and and we 384 00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,720 shouldn't assume anything yeah yeah 385 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:52,399 working and still do with douglas 386 00:14:56,949 --> 00:14:53,440 trumbull 387 00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:56,959 visual effects guy and uh he and i were 388 00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:58,880 working on a project called the aerial 389 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,880 anomaly detection system and of course 390 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:02,240 it was all about funding we could not 391 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:03,600 get the funding because when people 392 00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:05,279 heard the word ufo 393 00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:07,519 uh they just ran the other way you know 394 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,279 so basically we had to change it to 395 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:11,199 aerial anomaly detection system we just 396 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,120 did that so who knows what will happen 397 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,120 but again it's a series of platters with 398 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,279 instrumentation because i think if you 399 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:19,519 look in the sky in a broad view of the 400 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,399 sky 401 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:22,079 all right you should be able to detect 402 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,920 something and we put them at various 403 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,920 distances from each other 404 00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:28,160 laid out in threes for instance so they 405 00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:29,759 can triangulate positions overhead 406 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:32,320 sounds similar thing to galileo 407 00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:33,519 but ours are 408 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:34,959 ours might be movable they might be 409 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,240 little platters that can actually be 410 00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:38,000 moved to different locations and then 411 00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:39,680 you just get that gps coordinate for 412 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:41,839 that exact location and the other system 413 00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:43,120 will know and then you can triangulate 414 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:45,040 to a pretty good degree yeah so we 415 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,320 should we should learn from your 416 00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:48,000 experience that would be interesting for 417 00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:49,680 us to learn 418 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,440 but i should say that 419 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,000 the re the reason we have funding is 420 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:56,800 simply because a number of donors 421 00:16:02,230 --> 00:15:59,920 came to the porch of my home and 422 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:02,240 or contacted me these are people that 423 00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:04,959 have i haven't met more than a month ago 424 00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,079 they just 425 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:08,240 read my book extraterrestrial they were 426 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,680 intrigued by 427 00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,680 all the interviews that they gave and 428 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:13,759 they had questions and then they decided 429 00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:16,480 that they are inspired by the vision and 430 00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,079 uh it's interesting that the funding 431 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:19,600 came from the private sector you know 432 00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,480 from individuals that really care about 433 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,399 this question and 434 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,480 it's not as if this research will take 435 00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:29,279 away money from existing programs like 436 00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,639 the search for dark matter so i think 437 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,399 the science community should support it 438 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,480 because we are not taking funds away 439 00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,399 from anything that is done right now we 440 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,639 are actually adding funds and moreover 441 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:42,720 we are looking for evidence what else 442 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:45,759 can be better for science than data and 443 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,480 it just strikes me as strange if 444 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:51,040 seeing some scientists um 445 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,000 still uh pushing back against this 446 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:56,480 project yeah you're right i mean the 447 00:17:02,150 --> 00:16:59,519 reticence the reticence to to to move 448 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:02,160 forward with this type of thinking 449 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:03,040 you know 450 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,720 it goes back to when i was getting my 451 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,079 astronomy degree i talked to the 452 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,839 director of my observatory 453 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,760 and i told him that i believe it's a 454 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,520 populated universe that's what i i told 455 00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:12,959 him and he looked at me and he laughed 456 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,000 at me and said 457 00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,760 come on get back in the observatory 458 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,439 leave captain kirk to us that's what he 459 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,360 said to me exactly well you know you 460 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,600 know that was my experience as a kid 461 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:23,760 that was the thing that i remember the 462 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,160 most when i was a kid i used to sit at 463 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,880 dinner with adults and i would ask a 464 00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:31,039 difficult question and the adults in the 465 00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:32,720 room would pretend that they know much 466 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,039 more than they actually know that was 467 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,960 response number one and the second 468 00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,640 response was when they didn't have a 469 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,640 good answer they would simply dismiss 470 00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:41,760 the question 471 00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:44,559 and i must say that as a senior 472 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,600 scientist i have a very similar feeling 473 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,200 and that bothers me 474 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:50,880 you know because science is supposed to 475 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,600 be open-minded and based on evidence and 476 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:55,600 you know it's exactly the same feeling 477 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,400 as when i was a kid and i i will never 478 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,320 surrender for that kind of an approach i 479 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,320 mean it makes little sense the only way 480 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,799 for us to learn something new is not to 481 00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:06,400 surrender to this 482 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,679 uh pretension by the adults in the room 483 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,360 so to speak because they don't really 484 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,440 know what they are talking about i get a 485 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:15,520 cute little time of being sorry martin 486 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,640 i'll let you go on a second sorry 487 00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:18,960 apologize it's your show um 488 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:21,679 i get accused all the time of of 489 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:22,480 uh 490 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,600 being someone who believes 491 00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,840 extraterrestrial life is out there and 492 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,559 and 493 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,880 okay accuse me i believe it is i i have 494 00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,160 no doubt and 495 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:31,840 and i'm actually one of the few i think 496 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,000 that that i i really don't have an 497 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,760 arrogance about this 498 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:37,600 science can be arrogant as you know 499 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,280 right and that's because they have a 500 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:41,200 feeling of for what they feel is right 501 00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,559 they know what they have their their 502 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,799 their their dogma their 503 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,160 their their 504 00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:49,440 uh their unabashed attention to their 505 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:50,960 detail and their 506 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,280 concepts or what your approach is the 507 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,160 modest approach to assume that we exist 508 00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,240 conditional so many tens of billions of 509 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:00,880 planets are similar in terms of surface 510 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,039 temperature to those that on earth and 511 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,559 uh why should we assume that we are 512 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,160 special and unique why should we assume 513 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,160 that the play is about us that we are 514 00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:10,640 the central actors we might be just like 515 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,360 an ant among many ants on the sidewalk 516 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,360 of the milky way galaxy you know and i 517 00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,080 think that is the modest approach so 518 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,559 everyone else that claims otherwise is 519 00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,039 arrogant and they're cl yeah arrogant 520 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,720 the arrogance of science has always 521 00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,960 bothered me and i just determined i will 522 00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,440 never be that guy 523 00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:31,919 you know stay open-minded yes you might 524 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,160 be wrong but you know what be okay being 525 00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,120 wrong right i'm okay being disproven 526 00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,440 that's fine yeah but if we collect 527 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,520 evidence there is nothing bad that can 528 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,400 come out of it anyone that says 529 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,880 let's not collect evidence is behaving 530 00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:48,720 just like those philosophers that refuse 531 00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,559 to look through the telescope of galileo 532 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,480 and that's why we called it the galileo 533 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,480 project that's a pretty good team i like 534 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,240 that name too by the way that's a name 535 00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,240 for it that's my son's middle name and 536 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,480 if galileo was around he would be 537 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,720 a honorary member of our group i bet he 538 00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,280 would my son gabe his middle name 539 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,360 galileo but by the way he would have 540 00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,080 been cancelled on social media today 541 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,120 i'm pretty sure about that 542 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:15,520 so i brought i brought ted in ted rosen 543 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:16,480 here too 544 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,480 ted does some great research um so but 545 00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,400 and you're welcome to chime in but i i 546 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:24,559 just have a couple questions and one of 547 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,200 them do those guys that show up on your 548 00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,880 door were they wearing black suits by 549 00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,159 chance 550 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,159 that's a joke 551 00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,559 they were just humans that had questions 552 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:37,200 about my book and very nice people very 553 00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,240 nice people 554 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,159 and actually with one of them we went 555 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,880 for a walk for three hours and uh so all 556 00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,720 together you know these are people that 557 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,120 are really curious about the question of 558 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,919 are we the smartest kid on the block and 559 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,200 my point is 560 00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:53,440 now we have a channel for crowdfunding 561 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:54,320 that 562 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,799 are quite you know minimal 563 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,360 the cost of a dinner are 564 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,440 you know are are really welcome to 565 00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,440 contribute to the project and if we have 566 00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,159 enough of of such contributions we will 567 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,559 be able to buy more more telescopes and 568 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,400 it will be all about 569 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,360 creating more copies of the same system 570 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,960 so that we can distribute them around 571 00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,840 the globe and get more data on uap 572 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,480 is this going to be like the wasp system 573 00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,240 at all it's different i mean we are 574 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,480 building our own systems that have a 575 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:27,760 different 576 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,640 that's why you know it was never done 577 00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,880 before what we are doing so we we are we 578 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,280 have a lot of discussions about that and 579 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:38,880 of course there are some members of the 580 00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,000 research team that are that worked on on 581 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,880 searching for exoplanets and 582 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,760 um 583 00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,799 but the 584 00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:47,840 the 585 00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,200 different than astronomy in general 586 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,200 because the objects we are tracing are 587 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,360 moving on the sky quite fast now the 588 00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,200 second component of the project i should 589 00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,799 have mentioned he's also searching for 590 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,720 objects like 591 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,280 that are weird that came into the solar 592 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,960 system from 593 00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,320 outside and 594 00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,559 do not look like a comet or an asteroid 595 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,919 you know there was an interstellar 596 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,760 object that looked just like a comet 597 00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,080 borisov and the 598 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,360 omo was nothing like borisov so 599 00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,760 and and you know people that are claimed 600 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,640 to be mainstream in astronomy they tried 601 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,799 to explain the properties of a moomoo 602 00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,720 and only came up with 603 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,640 uh types of objects that we've never 604 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,039 seen before like a nitrogen iceberg a 605 00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,880 hydrogen iceberg and to me it always 606 00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,159 reminds me of 607 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,919 you know a caveman that is presented 608 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,320 with a cell phone and is used to playing 609 00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,480 with rocks the caveman would say it's 610 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,880 just a shiny rock but of course it's the 611 00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,320 beginning of a learning experience 612 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,559 because the caveman can press a button 613 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,840 and then record his or her voice 614 00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,559 and press another button and record an 615 00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,159 image and and if we happen to get more 616 00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,480 data on an unusual 617 00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,200 rock quote-unquote we might be able to 618 00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,440 press some buttons there 619 00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,600 i have a couple of questions for you avi 620 00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,679 and the first one is 621 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,559 um 622 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,760 so this is being funded through harvard 623 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,080 you're using um no it's private 624 00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,480 donations that were given to my research 625 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,559 account through harvard because i cannot 626 00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,320 okay i cannot 627 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,960 accept funds directly to me 628 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,640 only through harvard because that's my 629 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,960 employer and it goes straight to the 630 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:28,000 project 631 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,440 okay and 632 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,159 did is they have no problem in doing 633 00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080 this part of it oh so that was 634 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,240 interesting i was asked before we 635 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,919 announced the project 636 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,480 whether it relates to my 637 00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,960 research as an astronomer because if not 638 00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960 it would have been regarded as activity 639 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,880 outside of the scope of my research at 640 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,760 harvard and i explained that my duty as 641 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,760 an astronomer and i have been practicing 642 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,720 that for decades now is to interpret 643 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,880 data that comes from telescopes that's 644 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480 what i do as an astronomer they agreed 645 00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,240 with that and then i said the only 646 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,480 difference here is we use telescope but 647 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,279 collect data on nearby objects now there 648 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,760 is no restriction in astronomy to look 649 00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,520 at objects that are very far away there 650 00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,360 is no minimum distance you know we look 651 00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,840 at comets we look at meteors 652 00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,440 these are objects that come relatively 653 00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,080 nearby and omua for example came from 654 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,799 very far away just approached us so it's 655 00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,200 still part of astronomy and they agreed 656 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,279 with this reasoning they said yes it is 657 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,440 astronomy even though you're looking at 658 00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,720 nearby objects so it there was no issue 659 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,039 after i explained that it's regarded as 660 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760 part of my research and it's astronomy 661 00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,520 as far as i'm concerned 662 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:39,120 and we will try and figure out the 663 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,400 nature of these objects that are 664 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,400 currently unidentified 665 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,640 and you can all i know find these 666 00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,590 eventually classified as a potential 667 00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,279 danger to the planet too so you've got 668 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,039 that going for you as well 669 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,440 right right but as i said before if it 670 00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,520 happens to be human-made it would be 671 00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,679 very boring as boring as seeing a bird 672 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,559 as far as i'm concerned 673 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,520 so 674 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,520 you know i'm happy to put into the 675 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,200 software 676 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,799 an automatic uh transfer of data to 677 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,200 uh residents of washington dc if it 678 00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,360 happens to show letters of the alphabet 679 00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,919 our alphabet 680 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,600 yeah oh yeah they would like to have 681 00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:22,080 that information um just just a couple 682 00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,720 of 683 00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,679 uh 684 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,880 questions 685 00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,400 first of all before you go tonight i 686 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,000 want you to elaborate how someone can 687 00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,320 get to that funding i do have the i do 688 00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,559 have the link below and the either the 689 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,559 show notes are down in the text 690 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,840 on the video 691 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,760 but um 692 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,559 my what my last question i guess is 693 00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,159 how do you figure out where you're going 694 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,279 to put these objects and uh these uh the 695 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,080 the equipment and is this protected 696 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,240 equipment that it's got to be away from 697 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,760 people so no one's gonna but it sounds 698 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,760 expensive so i mean how are you gonna 699 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,240 protect it as well right so that's the 700 00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,880 same issue that the astronomers face and 701 00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,200 often there is a god or some fence 702 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,919 around some of our telescopes will be 703 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,320 on the sides of observatories because 704 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,720 mountain tops are you know the best 705 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,240 locations in the sense that the 706 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:13,679 atmosphere is more verified up there and 707 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,120 then therefore blurring of the images uh 708 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,640 is uh 709 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,520 weaker than than at the sea level so to 710 00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,200 speak but then 711 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,200 as to where to put them you know that 712 00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,440 there is a claim that there is a 713 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,559 clustering of uap reports around the 714 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,320 sensitive facilities like military 715 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:35,200 facilities or nuclear facilities um it 716 00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,360 may well be a result of having more 717 00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,840 patrols around those areas because 718 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,400 they're sensitive and uh one thing we 719 00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,760 want to find out is whether this 720 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,080 clustering is real or just a reflection 721 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:51,120 of having more pilots monitor these 722 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,200 areas and um so we plan to distribute 723 00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,120 our observatories in many different 724 00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,600 locations again it's limited by the 725 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,600 funding we get and we haven't yet 726 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,320 decided specifically about the locations 727 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:06,880 uh and with respect to the your your 728 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,840 other uh comment or question um the 729 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,720 crowdfunding is possible through a link 730 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,600 on our website so if you just google the 731 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,679 galileo project harvard university 732 00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,880 avilobe you will get to that website and 733 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:21,919 there is 734 00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,600 a tab uh support us and if you click on 735 00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,919 that you will see the the guidelines for 736 00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,919 how to contribute irrespective of the 737 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,840 amount 738 00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:34,399 yes uh so mark or ted do you either one 739 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,350 i do 740 00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,799 um 741 00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,399 this is ted i've been working on this 742 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,039 for 20 years collecting data aviation 743 00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,960 cases uh 744 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,559 understanding the general trends in that 745 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,720 data and trying to get a an overall 746 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,600 vision 747 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,360 of 748 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,960 what we might be looking at you know 749 00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,399 throw it all against the wall then you 750 00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,320 have a scope right and then you can from 751 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,039 there you can start rationally engaging 752 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,760 various aspects of the phenomenon 753 00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,880 and 754 00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,559 in the process i learned that there were 755 00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:10,159 places where there are clusters 756 00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,279 and 757 00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:13,039 i've been exposed to a couple of them 758 00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,480 through 759 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,799 mr erling strand and dr massimo 760 00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:18,480 teodorani 761 00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,520 um 762 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,440 and i i 763 00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,600 i want to know if there's any real 764 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,919 attention for looking at a couple of 765 00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,600 these spots um 766 00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,960 i think there's some real merit 767 00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,880 listening to those two men 768 00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,679 um i've been i've been on searches with 769 00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,919 them and we've collected data they're 770 00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,679 they're um 771 00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,159 very rigorous in their methodology and 772 00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,159 uh uh 773 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,520 ethical 774 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,080 uh which is a 775 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:48,080 uh so have you thought it at all about 776 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,360 talking to these fellows and looking 777 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,600 into their work yeah we already had a 778 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,720 conversation with massimo uh and he 779 00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,120 provided the useful information and we 780 00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,120 will definitely take 781 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,039 this into consideration when we decide 782 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,799 about the locations but 783 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,279 just to explain at first in the coming 784 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,320 weeks and maybe uh months 785 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,120 we will have to purchase the relevant 786 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,120 equipment and then test it to make sure 787 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,960 that we when we put it together it 788 00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,200 operates uh to our satisfaction 789 00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,279 including developing the software that 790 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,679 we need and then once we have it working 791 00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,080 then we'll have to decide uh which 792 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,039 locations to put it at and of course as 793 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,880 i said again that depends on the level 794 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,120 of funding the more funding we have the 795 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,360 more locations we can sample and and 796 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,120 examine exactly the point you made 797 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,880 whether there is clustering and 798 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,799 definitely we will pay attention to the 799 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520 reports that some areas are 800 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:43,360 have a higher 801 00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,360 chance or or a report rate of of uap 802 00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,600 yeah i i strongly recommend that you do 803 00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,919 i've been in a couple of those places 804 00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,240 and they should be very interesting to 805 00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,200 to you 806 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,039 um and i want to say it's very 807 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,039 refreshing to to hear 808 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,960 proper attitudes about inquiry and 809 00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,120 objectivity i've said 20 years 810 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,039 underground basically in the 811 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,520 should say wild it's not original to me 812 00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,520 because when the report was delivered to 813 00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,840 congress bill nelson the nasa 814 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,000 administrator said that scientists 815 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,159 should look into that so you know i'm 816 00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,039 just trying to make him happy 817 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,679 well you're making more than him happy 818 00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,720 and uh uh uh i don't know if you saw any 819 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,480 of our presentations 820 00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,399 to the aiaa 821 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,000 two weeks ago 822 00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,600 uh dr kobarapu and dr knuth and myself 823 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,399 and 824 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:37,200 um 825 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,320 i i presented our preliminary findings 826 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,640 with narcap and i hope that everybody 827 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,720 takes a look at that and any help i can 828 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,360 be to share anything or offer insights 829 00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,000 you know just just from long experience 830 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:54,080 i'm i'm happy to contribute however i 831 00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,960 can 832 00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,480 thank you very much we definitely 833 00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,200 appreciate experience uh but then we 834 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,039 would like to collect new data to 835 00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,799 substantiate it with 836 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,279 very important the instruments nowadays 837 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,880 are far better than they used to be two 838 00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,279 decades ago and uh if we have full 839 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,519 control over them then we can 840 00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,640 deliver 841 00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:13,919 the 842 00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,679 science community because i do think 843 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,519 that it should be there 844 00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,360 well yeah some new data 845 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,000 that's fine with me i we don't have 846 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,399 we shouldn't have sacred cows in this 847 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:28,720 field of you know cases that we consider 848 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,240 inviable and that you know or um and and 849 00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,240 people and researchers that stand in 850 00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,399 front of the data i think that's 851 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,480 one one caveat to what you said there 852 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:41,120 should be one sacred principle and that 853 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,000 is 854 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,000 paying attention to evidence and not 855 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,559 prejudice that's right that's right 856 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,640 yeah exactly right 857 00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,240 i agree with you mark you have a last 858 00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,440 question do you have a last question 859 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,919 mark i was going to suggest uh avi did 860 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,440 you uh consider 861 00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,640 uh 862 00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,880 a portability option for these so oh 863 00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,480 yeah that's an excellent point there 864 00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,960 mark yeah definitely that's an excellent 865 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,320 point 866 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,240 i've got a portable observatory we're 867 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,640 building to to do outreach because i 868 00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,080 think it's important to show people 869 00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,080 what's happening to get more involved 870 00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,399 right so one-on-one what can be done 871 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,399 yeah it's it's not just for that reason 872 00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,640 it it you know we if we can put it on a 873 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,120 truck and move it to uh we can sample 874 00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,360 many locations with the same 875 00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,679 yeah primary that's the primary uh 876 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,919 obviously motivation of course but sure 877 00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,720 yeah yeah i think you know once we get 878 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,279 evidence that would be exciting 879 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,360 you know the public will go crazy about 880 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,200 it irrespective whether we go around 881 00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,360 with a truck or not 882 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,399 well you you lend it credibility also i 883 00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,960 mean if it was just one of i hate to say 884 00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,279 it this way but if it was myself out 885 00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:49,919 there you know with equipment and i got 886 00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,880 this image or whatever i wouldn't have 887 00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,880 what you have the level of credibility 888 00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,880 you have uh you know to bring this to 889 00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,559 the table so we 890 00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,120 i i can say for myself and probably many 891 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,960 others that we really do appreciate that 892 00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,760 you're you're investing yourself in this 893 00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,799 and uh 894 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,559 and i really like your attitude and i 895 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,320 really thank you i should say that we 896 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,960 have a team of 20 exceptional scientists 897 00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,600 it's not just me and uh they're really 898 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,120 there are some exceptional 899 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,760 instrumentalists in the team that are 900 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:21,840 that will be putting things together so 901 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,200 everyone deserves the credit yes 902 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,120 very good all right well thank you very 903 00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,440 much avi and uh we will look to see what 904 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,799 happens with what you're doing in the 905 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,960 future i would be delighted to join you 906 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,399 again thank you great 907 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,960 thank you take care thank you 908 00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,360 bye 909 00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,840 all right well that was great and so ted 910 00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,559 um yeah uh welcome to the show we have 911 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,200 ted and mark and you guys have never 912 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,960 really talked to each other i just found 913 00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,240 that out 914 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,519 i just had this 915 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,480 i had this uh wild idea ted you and i 916 00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:55,360 were 917 00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,519 this talk that you did you're gonna talk 918 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,159 about um you text me 919 00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,519 and um and then i was uh it was last 920 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,760 week and i almost pulled you into last 921 00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,159 week's show and then so i said hey mark 922 00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,839 do you mind being on you know sharing a 923 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:13,119 show with someone you never talked to 924 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,000 before 925 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:16,399 you said yeah why not so here we are 926 00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,589 so um i want to hear from both of you 927 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,440 you both have things going on and i 928 00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,119 don't know who wants to start first mark 929 00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,679 you have this observatory you and i have 930 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,679 talked about it many times out in 931 00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,480 arizona yeah but you know just real 932 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,240 quickly i think 933 00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:40,800 because i have so many new listeners all 934 00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,599 the time it wouldn't hurt too bad i know 935 00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,639 some people are going to be rolling 936 00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,119 their eyes i can almost see them now but 937 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,960 a little recap on who you are and what 938 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,599 you do let's start with you mark 939 00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,760 oh i'm move on to chief phone and video 940 00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,440 analyst um 941 00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,800 and uh an astronomer of course and um 942 00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,800 uh so i spent 943 00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,079 many years i knew i was gonna be an 944 00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,800 astronomer since age nine uh and i stuck 945 00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,400 with it you know and that's what i went 946 00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,760 to school for and 947 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,599 i worked in big observatories and small 948 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,760 and i decided that i wanted to do some 949 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,400 observatory building of my own 950 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,640 so i built two ones in the arizona 951 00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,160 desert one's here in connecticut that 952 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,720 telescope behind me right there is 953 00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,599 actually the east coast uh observatory 954 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,280 uh telescope unit we're actually 955 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,960 building a new building here and that's 956 00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,400 we outgrew the other one and so that 957 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,400 one's in here for 958 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:31,440 rehab 959 00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,560 um 960 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,839 and uh 961 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,280 so that that's what i did it's called 962 00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,520 sky tour right the thing you do live is 963 00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,320 the sky tour sky tour live stream is the 964 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,119 live observatory and we just had 965 00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,800 gangbuster nights out in arizona you 966 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,960 have 300 clear nights a year 967 00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:48,720 you're right you don't get lost look at 968 00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,550 the bottom line the bottom line is that 969 00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,920 you know i believe science is for 970 00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,920 everybody okay so does avi and that was 971 00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,680 what was kind of cool listening to him 972 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,119 scientists for everybody uh and it just 973 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,040 it just means that they have to have it 974 00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,640 explained in a way they can understand 975 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,079 and digest 976 00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,320 that's the problem as i said it's not 977 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,599 taught in our schools as much as it 978 00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,480 should be 979 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,960 and uh it's been dropped forward 980 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,400 right even though ted you understand 981 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,560 that right so 982 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,720 i think that when we talk science we 983 00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,560 should actually you know start at an 984 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,000 early age 985 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,640 i had benefit of having science talk to 986 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,040 me at early age i had benefit of 987 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,400 of of doing unbelievable stuff in my my 988 00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,320 science class okay my high school 989 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,839 chemistry okay when i was doing organic 990 00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,320 chemistry in high school at that time 991 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,560 we had the benefit of actually getting a 992 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,680 rock 993 00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,560 and because we had been taught so well 994 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,720 okay inorganic chemistry actually and 995 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,880 they were taught so well that the 996 00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,640 teacher said okay this is a rock 997 00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,960 identify it and extract the ore from it 998 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,800 if there's or in it 999 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,880 and that was the final exam 1000 00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,880 and for three days we worked in the 1001 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,320 school lab 1002 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,880 extracting ore from our samples and i'm 1003 00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,200 telling you i still have the copper from 1004 00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,720 the copper ore that i extracted a little 1005 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,200 glass jar okay 1006 00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,119 i did that years and years ago 1007 00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,520 see so that's the benefit of science you 1008 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,839 never forget good science 1009 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,240 you know so that's what i'm all about 1010 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:19,920 and the public outreach thing is great 1011 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,440 you know um i in fact and i was on i 1012 00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,680 i was actually doing interviews i did an 1013 00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:27,760 interview in anchorage today you uh are 1014 00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,480 you familiar with uh uh kwhl radio 1015 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,119 that's where ted is right now yes yeah 1016 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,960 awhl radio 1017 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,599 uh it was a bob lester and and brock 1018 00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,640 lindell 1019 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:42,079 that was their show 1020 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,280 um 1021 00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,960 i didn't hear about it before but i got 1022 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,119 on their show and they want me on as a 1023 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,280 regular now as a regular contributor 1024 00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,880 because they like to talk about suppose 1025 00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,720 it's one of their favorite topics so you 1026 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,000 should call them 1027 00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,640 at kwhl and i'll bet you you're going to 1028 00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,359 have a way in there all right yeah get 1029 00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,640 to work very much sure sure i'll do that 1030 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,280 yeah right so uh before you before you 1031 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,040 jump into just real quickly mark one of 1032 00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960 the things i liked from your very from 1033 00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,119 the very first time i met you was that 1034 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,240 you have a way of explaining things 1035 00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,000 that are difficult 1036 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,240 but down to the level where anyone can 1037 00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,240 digest it and i do i've always 1038 00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,480 appreciated that about you you don't get 1039 00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,960 all sciency and technical where if 1040 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,599 people start i i start glazing over any 1041 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,720 of that 1042 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,480 to go over someone's head if they don't 1043 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,800 know the science so what i do is i 1044 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,200 assess their capability right in science 1045 00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,040 and again it comes from the schooling 1046 00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:38,800 it's not their fault 1047 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,960 don't know it so it's that i assume the 1048 00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,599 responsibility to enlighten the parts 1049 00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,599 they don't know if i know the answers i 1050 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,920 don't know everything obviously 1051 00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,640 but i do know certain things you know 1052 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,119 and i think that um it makes sense to be 1053 00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,760 able to talk to people at their level 1054 00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,320 and engage with them and then they they 1055 00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,160 open up they ask questions and there is 1056 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,520 and i've said this a thousand times 1057 00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,760 there is no dumb question 1058 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,000 you know no dumb questions 1059 00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:10,720 just stupid answer 1060 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:14,079 all right ted how about you ted 1061 00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,880 well 1062 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,839 um 1063 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,599 ted rowe i 1064 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,320 ran narcap from the time dr haines and i 1065 00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,640 founded it i was executive director and 1066 00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,280 then when dr haines retired in 2015 i 1067 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,599 took over the organization as a director 1068 00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,920 of research 1069 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,839 our entire goal in all of this has been 1070 00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,560 to influence the aviation community 1071 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,240 because we felt that by if we could 1072 00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,920 change the aviation community we changed 1073 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,160 the world 1074 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,880 and so we worked very hard dr haines had 1075 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,240 accumulated 1076 00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,200 uh several thousand aviation cases and 1077 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,520 many of them reflected aviation safety 1078 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:50,640 factors 1079 00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,920 so we we we set our focus on that the 1080 00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,240 most data are in those cases where 1081 00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:59,119 safety factors are involved things like 1082 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,320 oh 1083 00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,160 close pacing mid-air collision near 1084 00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,240 mid-air collisions 1085 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:06,560 collision headings 1086 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,850 all of these things 1087 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,040 [Music] 1088 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,560 concurrent failures of electrical 1089 00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:13,200 systems during an encounter all of these 1090 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,480 things kind of tell us a little bit 1091 00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,480 about what's going on with these things 1092 00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,319 in the physics of it all and we can 1093 00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,920 understand the flight dynamics when they 1094 00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,160 are behaving dynamically 1095 00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,720 so we look at those cases and we the 1096 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,720 first paper we wrote was aviation safety 1097 00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,920 in america a previously neglected factor 1098 00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,240 and that was in that in 1999. 1099 00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,480 so we we started the conversation on 1100 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,800 aviation safety in this subject and we 1101 00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,359 also established the uap term 1102 00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,800 and and our definition of it in 1999 and 1103 00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,640 obviously it's gone viral everybody's 1104 00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,800 using it now but it has a definition and 1105 00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,319 that's on the website 1106 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,680 um it's it's actually a 1107 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,440 term that you arrive at after you've 1108 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,040 done the work 1109 00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,960 it's not a uap until you've resolved 1110 00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,880 that it's not anything else 1111 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,240 um 1112 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,599 and uh 1113 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,280 in our like i said our focus has been 1114 00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,960 trying to get towards the aviation 1115 00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,880 community we've been very conservative 1116 00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,720 you won't find little aliens dancing on 1117 00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,960 our website um 1118 00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,800 we've been very focused on on serving 1119 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,800 our demographic which are pilots and air 1120 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:17,440 controllers because they face a stigma 1121 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:21,040 the faa absolutely rejects their reports 1122 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,240 you know uh 1123 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,000 pilot pilots and air controllers and 1124 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,160 that's been going on right up till right 1125 00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,079 now when they're seriously trying to 1126 00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,599 remedy their image 1127 00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,079 in this this particular chain sea change 1128 00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,599 we're dealing with with the dni report 1129 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,710 well very good i i have a quick question 1130 00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,440 for you um when it comes to aviation and 1131 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:45,440 all that i always think of 1132 00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,640 2007 and gate c17 chicago o'hare airport 1133 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,520 for the for united airlines and all that 1134 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,160 and the question is 1135 00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,280 it seems to me that eventually some of 1136 00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,760 those people that were there that day 1137 00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:04,800 are have retired by now and could talk 1138 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,109 does anyone else hear that i don't know 1139 00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,880 where that came from 1140 00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:13,680 yeah 1141 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,599 interesting so ah anyway has has anyone 1142 00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,280 ever that that you're aware of has 1143 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,680 anyone ever come forward 1144 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,200 um no 1145 00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:25,920 we've we've the case kind of 1146 00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,640 comes to life every now and then but uh 1147 00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:29,680 um 1148 00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,560 i i don't think so we only had one 1149 00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,319 possible photograph of the case for 1150 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119 example of the object itself by one of 1151 00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,280 the people one of the ground crew 1152 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,960 uh and that was referenced by the ramp 1153 00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,520 controller for united that reported it 1154 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,400 to the control tower and that photograph 1155 00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,480 never turned up i did the photo analysis 1156 00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,599 for that that case and all we got were 1157 00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,560 hoaxes 1158 00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,400 um lots of them 1159 00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,400 it was kind of disheartening 1160 00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,240 so you never got it you never got that 1161 00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,760 particular photo 1162 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,839 no no i never saw the photo that was 1163 00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,680 alleged to be that 1164 00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,680 and and it's um 1165 00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,240 um and since then you know like i said 1166 00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,079 it's like it's one of these zombie cases 1167 00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,760 it comes back to life every now and then 1168 00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,400 and people find themselves with a uh 1169 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,160 they claim to have new data and so on 1170 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,640 and new witnesses and all that but i i 1171 00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,720 i just ignore it i haven't had anything 1172 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,560 come to me 1173 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,680 so 1174 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,880 yeah you know 1175 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,280 roswell thing ted you know i mean 1176 00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,880 you know what we're not going to see any 1177 00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,040 new information about roswell there's 1178 00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,880 nothing new that can come out now that 1179 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,280 we can actually trust number one and 1180 00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,160 number two that's actually in existence 1181 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400 for real in my view i think that that's 1182 00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,160 that's so far in the past we need to 1183 00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,000 leave it in the past and just focus on 1184 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,079 the here and now moving forward 1185 00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,160 well this is the thing that i agree with 1186 00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,480 abby on his point there you know new 1187 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,440 data uh the phenomena is real yes we've 1188 00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599 got we've got cases we've got data we've 1189 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,440 got stories we got anecdotes we got all 1190 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,400 this stuff 1191 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,400 but new data is coming because it's a 1192 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,760 real phenomenon 1193 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:04,720 and 1194 00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,560 frankly a lot of us are going to get 1195 00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,760 phased out of this over time i um i did 1196 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,480 this work for 20 years underground uh in 1197 00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,520 the wild basically collecting cases and 1198 00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,359 working data and trying to influence the 1199 00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,040 aviation system 1200 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,280 uh keeping my own experiences to myself 1201 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,480 more or less 1202 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040 and uh um 1203 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,040 uh and at some point 1204 00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,200 these guys or or people like them are 1205 00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,119 gonna pick up the ball and move on 1206 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,560 uh that's what was so important about 1207 00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,880 the aiaa conference the american 1208 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,079 institute for aeronautics and 1209 00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,480 astronautics conference it's it's the 1210 00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:43,040 largest aviation engineering society in 1211 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,000 the world 1212 00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,960 and and it's an american society that is 1213 00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,640 a major driver in research and 1214 00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:51,680 development in the aviation system 1215 00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,560 and they invited us myself and five 1216 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,720 others to present to them 1217 00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,520 uh to their conference on 1218 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,400 august 6 i believe it was 1219 00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:04,000 that was a very important moment it was 1220 00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,119 probably one of the most important 1221 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,079 moments in ufology uh we've had a couple 1222 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,240 of them over the last few years but but 1223 00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,680 certainly this one 1224 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,000 this was we were the purpose was to 1225 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,040 advocate for scientific inquiry 1226 00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,280 and uh uh 1227 00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,680 and so we were presenting rationale for 1228 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,920 aviation science to look more closely at 1229 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,640 these cases as a group to follow the dni 1230 00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,520 recommendation that the stigma be lifted 1231 00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,119 and that people start talking about this 1232 00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,119 stuff so 1233 00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,040 yeah that was a real watershed moment i 1234 00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,119 posted the presentations on our website 1235 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,960 at narcap uh but there were 1236 00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,160 presentations by dr robbie copperapu who 1237 00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,960 was a planetary scientist at goddard 1238 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,839 uh nasa space flight center um 1239 00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,920 there was uh um 1240 00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:52,480 dr kevin knew made a presentation there 1241 00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,240 a very interesting one i might add uh uh 1242 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,640 peter really from scu was there and did 1243 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,720 a talk on on 1244 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,920 flight dynamics and kinematics 1245 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,760 and then ryan graves was there with 1246 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,400 personal experience from being an f-18 1247 00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,200 pilot confronting uap in the course of 1248 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,720 his duty 1249 00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,760 um 1250 00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,720 then myself i presented over the last 1251 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,960 20 years of preliminary findings of 20 1252 00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,400 years of research 1253 00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,680 and then uh 1254 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,359 and then the final one was philly 1255 00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,160 belarus who presented on aviation safety 1256 00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:29,040 factors and data collection uh schemas 1257 00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,319 for uh 1258 00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,000 uap research 1259 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,079 so uh it was a very 1260 00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,760 it was very level and i think it was 1261 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,119 really kind of telling who they picked 1262 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,640 to make these talks 1263 00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,760 versus who 1264 00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,400 the faces are in this field 1265 00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,069 i thought that was terribly interesting 1266 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,760 myself but 1267 00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,960 yeah 1268 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,640 do you have speculations on the site 1269 00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,000 right 1270 00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,000 yes yes i do there are playlists on the 1271 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,040 narcap website youtube channel 1272 00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:59,280 excuse me the narcap youtube channel is 1273 00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,560 where you go 1274 00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:01,599 yeah 1275 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,040 um and i offered uh findings from 100 1276 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,870 i've got uap cases all the way back to 1277 00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:12,960 1916. 1278 00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,400 wow yeah and 1279 00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,800 in what form were they back then 1280 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,800 okay the first uap report that i have 1281 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,760 from 1916 the pilot complained of being 1282 00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,359 accosted by six flying manhole covers he 1283 00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,559 called them 1284 00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:30,240 disc forms about that 1285 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,559 yeah 1924 i had a dh4 pilot flying a 1286 00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,880 mail route over nevada 1287 00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,720 and uh he said he was forced to land 1288 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,040 after an encounter with a huge wingless 1289 00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,160 cylinder 1290 00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,839 which looks a lot like the one that 1291 00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,839 david hastings photographed over nevada 1292 00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,599 in 1985 1293 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,760 which is a very sobering photograph as 1294 00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,920 well he almost hit it with his airplane 1295 00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,480 um what i found anyway and analyzing all 1296 00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,160 this data first off it didn't start in 1297 00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,920 the 40s 1298 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,400 uh whenever uap started it started much 1299 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,880 earlier for pilots 1300 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,280 there's a general set of profiles that 1301 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,920 pilots encounter primarily which are 1302 00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,079 balls of light discs 1303 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,040 spheres and cylinders 1304 00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,400 there are other things out there but 1305 00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,079 their outlier data the general data 1306 00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:18,000 carries those four profiles 1307 00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,040 i've done 1308 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,480 an analysis of their flight dynamics um 1309 00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,000 uh which is 1310 00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,760 what puts us on in in some really 1311 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,839 interesting territory i think 1312 00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,720 um 1313 00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,880 they don't experience resistance to 1314 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,839 changes in velocity or 1315 00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,440 direction and that 1316 00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,040 that's very important given that they 1317 00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,079 don't use 1318 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,400 uh propulsive thrust or aerodynamic lift 1319 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,920 to fly 1320 00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,440 so there's no 1321 00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,559 um 1322 00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,000 when they want to stop they just stop 1323 00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,160 they don't have any respect for the the 1324 00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,000 four forces that make an aircraft able 1325 00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,280 to fly which are drag lift thrust and 1326 00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,240 gravity right uh an airplane flight is a 1327 00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,079 concert of those things and these don't 1328 00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,440 do any of that 1329 00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,200 i think that's a direct 1330 00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,119 it's a direct result of the propulsion 1331 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880 methodology 1332 00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:06,480 uh 1333 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,880 shifting i think rather than actually 1334 00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,720 moving forward through space like a 1335 00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,559 space you know they're shifting one 1336 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,359 place to another i think they're 1337 00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,200 you might say decoupled from the local 1338 00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,280 space time they're they're not 1339 00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,640 that right 1340 00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,000 i don't know how to explain that but 1341 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,760 that that's kind of the 1342 00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,000 gist of it there are temporal effects 1343 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,440 associated with getting close to them 1344 00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,240 which is another clue about about 1345 00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,960 what these things might be like um 1346 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,119 you know the technology involved if we 1347 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,640 experience temporal effects if we get 1348 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,319 close to them and we experience an 1349 00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,880 acceleration in time for example 1350 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,800 we're probably looking i would guess in 1351 00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,520 general relativistic corners for 1352 00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,319 information on how that's possible um we 1353 00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:53,119 should also explain decoupling 1354 00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,079 i don't know 1355 00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,160 it could yeah it could i mean there's a 1356 00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,520 there's a way in which that could all 1357 00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,240 apply in in some form or another i i 1358 00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,319 just have never experienced any 1359 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,599 time dilation effects as you're 1360 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,720 referring to 1361 00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,920 yeah 1362 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,200 got me in here there's a personal 1363 00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,640 experience that brought me into this 1364 00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:10,000 field and um 1365 00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,880 um 1366 00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,839 and i did have a a pretty blatant one 1367 00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,480 um and i got very close to it less than 1368 00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,760 15 feet 1369 00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,920 um and i saw the crew and all the other 1370 00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,000 stuff but the whole point is that the 1371 00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,680 the physics of this thing and the way it 1372 00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,480 moved uh at one point it moved very 1373 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,760 quickly and it should have killed the 1374 00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,119 crew and they didn't even rock on their 1375 00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,040 heels so they weren't experiencing 1376 00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,599 inertia either you know 1377 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,760 uh yeah so you're talking about 1378 00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,400 ted are you talking about you saw a crew 1379 00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,280 that was on a craft yes 1380 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,480 that's how i got involved in all of this 1381 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:46,720 so i think you and i talked about that 1382 00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,480 um years ago a little bit and you also 1383 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:52,319 mentioned that you had 1384 00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,440 a sighting in oakland on the um and you 1385 00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,440 saw this thing up above you were in a 1386 00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,440 car and you were driving along you were 1387 00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,520 riding as a passenger and you saw this 1388 00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,000 thing and i think you said oakland along 1389 00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,880 that way or east bay somewhere yeah 1390 00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,960 craft 1391 00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,720 whatever it was you knew that it knew 1392 00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,240 that you were in the car or something 1393 00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,480 along those lines right well we saw it 1394 00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,720 from miles away and it intercepted us 1395 00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,400 and stopped less than 15 feet from the 1396 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,240 vehicle and then it 1397 00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,960 made a maneuver around us i mean it was 1398 00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,880 pretty obviously focused on us and i 1399 00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,240 don't know why but it's what got me 1400 00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,000 involved in all of this i i made a 1401 00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:29,839 report to the 1402 00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,440 pr office at ames research center and um 1403 00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,480 i got a call back from dr haynes 1404 00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,119 and one thing led to another and 1405 00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,119 ended up running narcap and then having 1406 00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:43,119 to basically sideline that experience 1407 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,240 and bury it 1408 00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,280 um but it it helps inform my 1409 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,119 understanding of how they move 1410 00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,440 and the kinds of 1411 00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,760 but the the kinds of effects and 1412 00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,520 situations that the researchers like 1413 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,640 abby are going to end up encountering 1414 00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,240 you know if their work is sincere in all 1415 00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,599 this 1416 00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,280 my experiences are certainly what i know 1417 00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,800 they are and they're going to run into 1418 00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,720 this eventually and it goes down a 1419 00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,400 rabbit hole 1420 00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,400 some of us are a little ways down there 1421 00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,040 you know we we don't have a 1422 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,280 i don't have a reputation to protect you 1423 00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,880 know i can talk about this and now 1424 00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,599 they've given us a license to speak out 1425 00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,079 where i can at least say that i've seen 1426 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,680 it you know 1427 00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,440 and and that's been the hardest thing is 1428 00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,119 having credibility it's one of the only 1429 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:29,119 fields i know where you can have 1430 00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,160 uh 1431 00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,240 where you lose credibility by having 1432 00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,880 experience with what you're studying 1433 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,079 wow 1434 00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,680 that's i never thought of that but 1435 00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,599 you're right um there's a question in 1436 00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,880 facebook and we're going to be going 1437 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,040 into break here in like three minutes 1438 00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,200 and uh i'm hoping you guys can hang out 1439 00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,800 i don't really um 1440 00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,480 actually could play a video from last 1441 00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,240 week it would just be a repeat i might 1442 00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,559 just do that but here's a question uh 1443 00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,400 from stella bell and facebook have you 1444 00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,359 guys looked into anti-mass field theory 1445 00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,520 it cancels the mass 1446 00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,880 can go to 1447 00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,720 ftl travel 1448 00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,920 uh anyway 1449 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,880 um 1450 00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,319 has anyone looked into this either one 1451 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:07,680 of you 1452 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,720 i i personally have not because um it 1453 00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,680 requires such a different view 1454 00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,160 of what we call mass that we don't have 1455 00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:17,760 enough science to even surround that 1456 00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,960 with anything meaningful at the moment 1457 00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,960 i tend to avoid that stuff let the data 1458 00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,480 speak for itself we'll come to a 1459 00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,640 consensus as we all look at it 1460 00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,160 and that was what was terribly 1461 00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,240 interesting about the aiaa presentations 1462 00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,839 is that we were all speaking about 1463 00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,680 different situations most of the 1464 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,359 presenters were speaking about specific 1465 00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,680 cases i was speaking in generalities and 1466 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,599 yet we were all saying the same thing 1467 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,920 that these uap they demonstrate very 1468 00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,960 specific 1469 00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,880 uh flight characteristics that are uh 1470 00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,319 that we all agree that are there and 1471 00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,720 they're very curious and then i added a 1472 00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,400 bit to the conversation on ball of light 1473 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,800 phenomena based on observations i've had 1474 00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:54,000 in arizona 1475 00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,359 um 1476 00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,160 and uh uh other places and that and and 1477 00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,599 on what our pilots are reporting in 1478 00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,720 terms of 1479 00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,319 for example colors 1480 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,920 uh they look a lot like the emission 1481 00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,480 spectro specific atmospheric 1482 00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,520 atoms 1483 00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,280 um the orange 1484 00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,640 helium right um blues or nitrogen reds 1485 00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,599 neon 1486 00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,880 um 1487 00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,040 yellow yellow or white 1488 00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,119 yellow or white whitish green could be 1489 00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:22,319 oxygen you know there's 1490 00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,319 yeah exactly so so there's a whole um 1491 00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,359 uh uh possibility of a 1492 00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,800 direction to look in terms of 1493 00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:31,920 understanding these ball of light 1494 00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,430 okay 1495 00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,359 sorry my camera will be back 1496 00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,040 okay that's all right 1497 00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:43,599 so we are just about ready to go into 1498 00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,440 into uh break but i wanted to uh yeah i 1499 00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,839 guess i guess it would be time to go in 1500 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,359 so i think what i'm gonna do is i'm 1501 00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,000 going to play the video for those people 1502 00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,240 um that i played last week i just didn't 1503 00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,559 get a chance today to to bring anything 1504 00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,280 on so hang in there over at kgr a radio 1505 00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:02,799 we'll be right back right after these 1506 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:30,230 [Music] 1507 00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,870 and but uh kevin there was 1508 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:34,880 how many would you say that you saw in 1509 00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,680 one any given situation at at one time 1510 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,920 um they appeared on the radar in groups 1511 00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240 of five to ten at a time and if i was to 1512 00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,480 add up all the groups over the 1513 00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,079 entire period of time we were tracking 1514 00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,359 these things there was probably about a 1515 00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,359 hundred total objects 1516 00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,920 now i don't have any idea if um they 1517 00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,079 were a hundred separate objects or they 1518 00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,720 were the same five you know groups 1519 00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,720 the same groups basically repeating 1520 00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,480 somehow i don't even know if they're all 1521 00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,559 the same shape and size because all i'm 1522 00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:06,880 looking at on my on my console is a 1523 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,799 symbol symbology represents everything 1524 00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,960 so it's um 1525 00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,880 based on my loose my loose math is about 1526 00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,359 100 altogether 1527 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,119 so you know the 1528 00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,440 going back to you know gary's thoughts 1529 00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,440 or whatever have 1530 00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,839 it just seems like if there was this 1531 00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,079 tic-tac-shaped 1532 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,280 uh odd object objects that was developed 1533 00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,119 by the military and they were testing 1534 00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,040 them you just seemed 1535 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,720 you would seem to 1536 00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,280 kind of get the idea that a lot of 1537 00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,880 people would be seeing them it wouldn't 1538 00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,599 just be your situation you know they'd 1539 00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:45,200 be seeing them over and over and over 1540 00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:49,200 and uh uh are there any other um you 1541 00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,480 know people that have come forward 1542 00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,799 saying they're seeing the same objects 1543 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,240 that you're aware of 1544 00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,480 i know kevin has done some research in 1545 00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,240 this with especially with the sightings 1546 00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,079 around the same area that we were at and 1547 00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,000 apparently there's been hundreds of 1548 00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:04,240 people that have seen it 1549 00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,359 so yeah 1550 00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:07,280 and then the recent the more recent uh 1551 00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,480 events on the east coast with the 1552 00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,160 roosevelt battle group 1553 00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,240 um according to some of the reports i've 1554 00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:14,000 heard from those guys is they were 1555 00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,119 seeing them 1556 00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,359 some sort of objects out there almost on 1557 00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,240 a daily basis for for a period of time 1558 00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,000 but that's more like that's where the go 1559 00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,280 ahead that's where the gimbal and the go 1560 00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,799 fast videos came yeah i was going to say 1561 00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,799 but that's the gimbal is not you know 1562 00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,880 not your tic tac shape and then you're 1563 00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,119 getting you're going to be getting into 1564 00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:33,280 some other type of technology that that 1565 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,079 is 1566 00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,680 if it's our own um you know 1567 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,280 that i mean they could have different 1568 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,960 models using the same thing i mean they 1569 00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,480 could be for different things because i 1570 00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,200 mean rf-18s don't look like jumbo jets 1571 00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,640 you know i mean 1572 00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,799 it's just a matter of or they could 1573 00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,720 have different purposes one could be 1574 00:58:15,349 --> 00:57:53,520 reconnaissance one could be uh you know 1575 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:19,349 stand by 1576 00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,150 in 1577 00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,440 three two one go 1578 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:25,599 all right welcome back everyone so my 1579 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,960 guests are ted ro whoa i'm blurry 1580 00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,640 wow i don't know what happened this is a 1581 00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,119 self-focusing 1582 00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,720 okay 1583 00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,359 well maybe maybe it's to my advantage 1584 00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,440 looking blurry could be to my advantage 1585 00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:43,200 tonight so it's okay voice for radio 1586 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:44,079 only 1587 00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,160 so uh bringing back we got ted and mark 1588 00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,640 welcome back yeah where where are you 1589 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,440 yeah there you are over there 1590 00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,200 you're the one without the your camera 1591 00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,520 went out mark so i didn't realize mark 1592 00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,359 you're actually in your observatory 1593 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,160 that's i was in there no i'm actually in 1594 00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,160 my my office uh actually i'm in the 1595 00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,640 office where you did the show that time 1596 00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,520 oh okay i just happen to have your your 1597 00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,680 telescope behind you no that's the one 1598 00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,359 that's it's here because it's on a work 1599 00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,599 table and i'm rehabbing it right now 1600 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,000 um it goes in this observatory out here 1601 00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,680 which is the building's being built 1602 00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,559 because 1603 00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,640 we outgrew this the dome that we had in 1604 00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:25,119 on the front lawn of my house 1605 00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,119 is the dome was that shipped out west 1606 00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,760 and yeah oh my soul and i'm building a 1607 00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,599 whole new building that uses the same 1608 00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,480 type of profile as the arizona system 1609 00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,160 because i need full automation here i 1610 00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,160 got to be able to do this you know well 1611 00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,119 automation plus remote activity and so i 1612 00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,920 need to have access in the same way and 1613 00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,119 i wrote a program to control the 1614 00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:50,000 observatory out there in arizona and i'm 1615 00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,200 writing the same program to run the 1616 00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,760 observatory here in connecticut and they 1617 00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:55,520 need to talk to each other 1618 00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,640 because i'm going to take pictures with 1619 00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,240 one telescope at the same time as i'm 1620 01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,760 taking the same pictures of the same 1621 01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,079 object with this telescope 1622 01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,440 interesting 1623 01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,359 it's really cool first time of like the 1624 01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,799 moon and things like that no one's ever 1625 01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:09,040 seen a true 3d image of the moon but you 1626 01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,240 will not 1627 01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,240 hey you must get along really well with 1628 01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,280 your town office 1629 01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,720 well things on your lawn and stuff yeah 1630 01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,480 they said to me one time what's that big 1631 01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,160 white minion looking thing on your front 1632 01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,480 lawn 1633 01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,640 minion you know it looked like stewart 1634 01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,480 over halloween one year i dressed it up 1635 01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,280 as stuart dominion 1636 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,280 i could see it look like a ghost 1637 01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,440 it could also look like casper the ghost 1638 01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:37,440 too you know how many cars stop took 1639 01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,870 you know yeah yeah but 1640 01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,079 let's see that's the thing you know 1641 01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,160 ted's talking about the the the narcap 1642 01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,920 type things he's talking about all the 1643 01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:52,160 cases with aircraft and stuff 1644 01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,119 uh 1645 01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,680 observatories i have a all-sky camera 1646 01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,680 because the all-sky camera is a very 1647 01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,319 vital piece of low-light technology to 1648 01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,760 be able to look at the whole sky as a 1649 01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,440 whole i have 180 degree camera that 1650 01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:05,359 views the whole sky all at once 1651 01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,400 it's not it's not practical for doing 1652 01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,559 measured things it's great for looking 1653 01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,440 at 1654 01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,480 visual things and so i would take uh 30 1655 01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,559 second exposures with this camera this 1656 01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,559 low-light camera and then right away 1657 01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,440 take a new exposure okay like of your 1658 01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,680 keyboard uh and 1659 01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,040 so 1660 01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:27,200 i know right this is a 1661 01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:32,150 no you get it right 1662 01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,760 you're up there you do everything 1663 01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:36,160 backwards yeah i know it's backwards 1664 01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,880 so 1665 01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,880 uh but but what's what you're seeing ted 1666 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,839 is about 1667 01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,880 teddy's reigns over there no that's you 1668 01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,480 you have to do everything backwards here 1669 01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,400 it's really i know 1670 01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,400 i had a question for you tattoo because 1671 01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,920 one of the things i discovered was on 1672 01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,319 this all sky camera okay yes ted's over 1673 01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,520 there okay we know that uh 1674 01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,280 i i actually found something really 1675 01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,000 interesting i actually saw a uh aerial 1676 01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,400 refueler fly over i recognize that by 1677 01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:05,200 the the lights on the bottom okay 1678 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,039 right because they're very different 1679 01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:09,520 obviously from other aircraft naturally 1680 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,400 well 1681 01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:12,400 it flew over and then 1682 01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,200 right 1683 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,440 uh on its heels 1684 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,280 okay the tanker flew over and it was 1685 01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,440 like a 35 second exposure so it's a long 1686 01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,079 trail with the punctuated lights okay 1687 01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,000 and and the trail of the many lights on 1688 01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:25,440 the bottom that we're on 1689 01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:28,640 and then uh way up in the sky okay above 1690 01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,079 you actually way up in the sky was 1691 01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,839 in one frame there was there was a 1692 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,200 semi-circular pattern it was like 1693 01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,880 there's a semi-circular 1694 01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,039 light pattern and then the next frame it 1695 01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:42,000 completed that light pattern 1696 01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:43,200 brightness now you know what that says 1697 01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,079 to me 1698 01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:45,920 i first thought oh well that might be 1699 01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,039 like a jet circling to do a practice 1700 01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,039 tanker approach 1701 01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,799 i thought that makes sense i've seen 1702 01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,400 every refueling in action i know what it 1703 01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,960 looks like at night daytime 1704 01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:58,559 not from the air yet but i will get 1705 01:03:03,190 --> 01:02:59,359 there 1706 01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,200 but the thing is um that didn't work 1707 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,200 when you do the analysis because the 1708 01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:07,680 brightness of the of the jet should only 1709 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,640 have been bright when its exhaust was 1710 01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,799 facing me and as it went around in a 1711 01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,079 circle 1712 01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,240 now its exhaust isn't facing me and that 1713 01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,039 semi-circular sort of dimmed out and 1714 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,359 stayed dim and gone 1715 01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,839 but it wasn't the whole thing was there 1716 01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:26,000 there was no room i have no idea what it 1717 01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:28,839 was so i caught what i think is an 1718 01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,720 actual unidentified craft of some kind 1719 01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,640 i'm not saying it's a 1720 01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,039 alien extraterrestrial craft 1721 01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,160 at all i mean it was definitely you know 1722 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,480 appearing higher in the sky according to 1723 01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,000 the photograph but without a second 1724 01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,760 position to measure it i don't know how 1725 01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,599 right yeah of course 1726 01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,280 and of course that's one thing people 1727 01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,839 say it was 5 000 feet in the air and 300 1728 01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,680 feet across 1729 01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:55,920 yeah well the stanford in the stanford 1730 01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,680 university and the eye institute both 1731 01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,760 have done studies that show that humans 1732 01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,839 cannot estimate distance in the dark 1733 01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,079 when you've got one single object they 1734 01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,079 just can't right it's a 1735 01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,160 far away or a small thing up close you 1736 01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,319 know it's one of the two or something in 1737 01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,400 between so we don't know 1738 01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,359 but this object because of the faintness 1739 01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,359 of the trail and me thinking well if 1740 01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,319 that's a jet that's probably at a fairly 1741 01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,680 high altitude 1742 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,119 and it was a very tight circle by the 1743 01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,720 way if you know if you look at a jet 1744 01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,720 making a circle a lazy circle a fighter 1745 01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:28,799 jet would make it especially at speed 1746 01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,359 let's say 200 knots going slow okay it 1747 01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,119 would make a fairly 1748 01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,599 large circle 1749 01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:36,640 circle 1750 01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,640 frames it completed after two frames so 1751 01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,520 uh i don't know what it was 1752 01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:47,440 yeah you know and that's right that's 1753 01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:48,240 right 1754 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,839 two three talking about g-forces and 1755 01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:54,240 you're talking about 1756 01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,039 right 1757 01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,640 had a this object seemed to make a 1758 01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,400 semi-certain the first 30 seconds it 1759 01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,240 made half the circle and the second 1760 01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,839 three completed the circle so it 1761 01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,520 basically was like a minute 1762 01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,200 for it to do this 1763 01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,839 but at the at the size of the circle i 1764 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,359 was looking at 1765 01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,920 i was thinking if that's a fighter 1766 01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,319 i could calculate the rough 1767 01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:19,280 radius that a fighter at a slow approach 1768 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,160 speed 1769 01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,720 might have to go uh and then what the 1770 01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,319 radius might appear to be and then i can 1771 01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,839 actually calculate an altitude for it 1772 01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:28,000 based on just some trigonometric stuff 1773 01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,799 so 1774 01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:31,280 if i don't know that it's a jet on the 1775 01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,480 other hand 1776 01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,760 um then i don't have any clues i just 1777 01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,280 said well operating from the assumption 1778 01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:39,599 that it might be this jet aircraft 1779 01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,559 then this thing has to be in excess of 1780 01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,880 25 000 feet 1781 01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,720 if it's a jet aircraft 1782 01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:49,119 but the tanker went over and its lights 1783 01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,280 were very bright and in the time it in 1784 01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,440 the 30 second period that the tanker 1785 01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:55,760 went over the entire sky was full of the 1786 01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,799 tanker so that means that streak means 1787 01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,359 it was a lot lower or moving at some 1788 01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,640 high rate of speed you know but 1789 01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,200 obviously it was probably a lot lower 1790 01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:07,200 it was probably luke air force base 1791 01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,750 so 1792 01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,470 i'll tell you that stretch out there 1793 01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:19,119 between phoenix and yuma is a bit 1794 01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:20,319 curious 1795 01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,280 um 1796 01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,200 the observatory is 1797 01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,480 in that stretch 1798 01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:27,039 i've been in there and uh there's a spot 1799 01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:28,720 in particular that 1800 01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:32,319 they took it off the the usgs maps about 1801 01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,160 1939 and uh i've sat out there and um 1802 01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,720 i'm still processing the things we saw 1803 01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,799 out there at ground level 1804 01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,599 um 1805 01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,599 and i i was there once with erling 1806 01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:46,799 strand 1807 01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,160 uh dr teodorani's been there 1808 01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,559 we all have opinions about that place 1809 01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,559 uh erling told me it was like hesterlin 1810 01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,400 on steroids 1811 01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,599 so 1812 01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,440 it's a terribly active spot and it's not 1813 01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,200 the only one that whole strip along 1814 01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,520 there there's a couple of spots where it 1815 01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,240 where it's all kind of going down and um 1816 01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,079 my suggestion is get a little infrared 1817 01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:09,440 and look at the ground around those 1818 01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,720 places 1819 01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,720 well i actually 1820 01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,440 did uh i did kind of one better actually 1821 01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,880 not one better but i actually in the 1822 01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:18,559 same vein of thinking 1823 01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:19,440 i 1824 01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:32,160 drone 1825 01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:37,599 saw coyotes and i saw other life 1826 01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,760 right and i went up 1827 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,760 higher than i should have let's just be 1828 01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:44,640 clear okay but out there 1829 01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:49,510 uh 1830 01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,640 and i actually had a purview of probably 1831 01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,559 uh i'd say 1832 01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,240 35 1833 01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,799 maybe 40 miles 1834 01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,240 that i could see 1835 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:02,960 and i just kept circulating going around 1836 01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,440 and looking for what i could see 1837 01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:07,359 and with the flear system on this drone 1838 01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,480 that i 1839 01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:10,799 flew up there i had 14 minutes of time 1840 01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,799 at that point was the bet 1841 01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,319 and so actually about 10 because i 1842 01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,159 didn't have to bring it down as well and 1843 01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,839 go up at the time so 1844 01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,880 uh i didn't see anything odd on the 1845 01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,239 video 1846 01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,080 and you know i thought that's really 1847 01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:26,319 interesting but then again 1848 01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,359 uh they 1849 01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,279 this stuff has its own schedule and just 1850 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,480 because you don't see anything doesn't 1851 01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,560 mean it's not happening you know 1852 01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,120 so i've been told about this one 1853 01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,640 particular location that there was a 1854 01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,239 particular type of phenomenon to look 1855 01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,120 for it had it has a pattern to light 1856 01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,120 light phenomena and 1857 01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,279 um but nobody knows what the frequency 1858 01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,880 is on the thing but i've heard locals 1859 01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,719 talk about it i've heard researchers 1860 01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,359 talk about it um and one night i was out 1861 01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,679 there with a crew and we we saw it 1862 01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:54,719 um 1863 01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,759 very close you know 50 75 yards not not 1864 01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,400 far away uh and then it was accompanied 1865 01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,839 eventually by a number of other light 1866 01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:04,400 phenomena that kind of filled the area 1867 01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,600 and that's where it all just really kind 1868 01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,480 of 1869 01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,920 you know when you get exposed enough 1870 01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,239 weird your brain will stop working 1871 01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,440 it it's i i don't it's i don't know it's 1872 01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,759 kind of like tonic and mobility 1873 01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,640 you know 1874 01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,920 in animals when they get to a point 1875 01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:19,920 where they can't run and they can't 1876 01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,480 fight they freeze and and it's like they 1877 01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:24,000 just wait until they're eaten you know 1878 01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,279 what i mean they don't 1879 01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:27,279 um you like those goats you know you 1880 01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,319 scare them 1881 01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,640 they just fall over yeah exactly 1882 01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:32,560 yeah and and 1883 01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,920 i've been this way in a number of 1884 01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,239 situations where where uap have i've 1885 01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,000 been close to them and 1886 01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:40,159 um i've talked to dr teotarani about it 1887 01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,520 i was trying to get some advice from him 1888 01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,839 about how to how to stay functional when 1889 01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:46,080 all this goes on and his word was get 1890 01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:47,279 cold 1891 01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,040 walking towards it he said that's the 1892 01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,640 only way that you can really face these 1893 01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,159 things when they're 1894 01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,239 i'll tell you i'm a free diver right i 1895 01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,320 teach freediving uh in hawaii i live in 1896 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,400 hawaii in alaska but i'm i'm in alaska 1897 01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,400 right now um and i've been in the water 1898 01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,159 with big sharks 1899 01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,400 you know and i used to say well before 1900 01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:08,080 that it ever happened to me i used to 1901 01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,360 say well you know being around these 1902 01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,199 things like having a big shark come up 1903 01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,760 on you there's nowhere you can go it you 1904 01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:15,199 have its attention 1905 01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,640 and and 1906 01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,520 and there it's not negotiable you know 1907 01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,679 uh you you can project anything you want 1908 01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,199 on the experience itself but the one 1909 01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,280 thing you can't do is stop it 1910 01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,040 and um 1911 01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,000 uh so i've compared it to like the 1912 01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,760 the inherent terror we might have being 1913 01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,760 confronted by a shark well i was on the 1914 01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,760 ocean one day doing some deep swimming 1915 01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,840 and found myself nose to nose with a 1916 01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:40,080 15-footer and and uh it wasn't like that 1917 01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,040 at all 1918 01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,960 you know it wasn't wasn't anything like 1919 01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,880 like what the terrorite experience when 1920 01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,800 confronted by these things and 1921 01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:48,080 um 1922 01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,199 so 1923 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,120 you know there's this whole aspect of 1924 01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,040 exposure to these things that goes 1925 01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,199 beyond just being technical 1926 01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:56,480 you know 1927 01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:01,520 challenge to do this work in the field 1928 01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,560 getting close to them and uh um 1929 01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,320 i think i think obvi and those guys are 1930 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:08,159 going to find this out a lot this new 1931 01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,520 generation of science is starting to 1932 01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:12,080 work its way into the field 1933 01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,360 they're going to learn there's a rabbit 1934 01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,120 hole and that we've all been looking 1935 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,960 into it for a while now 1936 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,880 the ground observations are related to 1937 01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,120 the pilot observations pilots see what 1938 01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,000 ground observers see 1939 01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:26,560 abductee type experiences are related to 1940 01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,600 the ground observer situation and and 1941 01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,280 and eventually you know you end up in 1942 01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,840 this loop of of a spectrum of 1943 01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:36,239 experiences that are related to uap 1944 01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:37,280 and they're going to find themselves 1945 01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,280 moving into that it's a 1946 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:40,800 multi-disciplinary area uh not to 1947 01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,600 mention a tactical problem in my opinion 1948 01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,440 um could be 1949 01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,880 you know i'm gonna throw i'd like to 1950 01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,640 throw out kind of a philosophical 1951 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,280 question to both of you 1952 01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,880 here i'd like to hear both of your 1953 01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:54,960 answers and that is 1954 01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,320 if indeed the universe is teeming with 1955 01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:00,480 life like mark said you know toward the 1956 01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,360 beginning 1957 01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:02,719 of this show 1958 01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,800 uh why why if and if indeed we are being 1959 01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,040 visited by extraterrestrial 1960 01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,840 why would we be so special i don't know 1961 01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,480 that that they want us visit us 1962 01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,800 if there's so much life out there either 1963 01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,960 one of you want to answer that first 1964 01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:20,000 sure 1965 01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,760 you want to go first ted cause i have 1966 01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,520 either way go ahead 1967 01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:25,920 okay thank you i one of the things that 1968 01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,719 uh 1969 01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,679 i say 1970 01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:29,040 is 1971 01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,159 look at the 1972 01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,400 chemical composition of the universe all 1973 01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,239 right you look at the most prevalent 1974 01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,760 atoms in the universe now why would they 1975 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,880 talk about 1976 01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,120 questions about life okay well the 1977 01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,120 question really comes down to 1978 01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,679 the fact that the earth and all the life 1979 01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,080 on it is carbon based 1980 01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:48,960 all the life on the earth has dna 1981 01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,159 deoxyribonucleic acid okay and and those 1982 01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,480 nucleotides that make up dna 1983 01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,480 are made up in special ways depending on 1984 01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:58,480 what you are what creature you are all 1985 01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:59,360 right 1986 01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,719 well 1987 01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,480 um 1988 01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,080 any 1989 01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,400 life form elsewhere 1990 01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,520 is going to look for life like itself 1991 01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:12,159 most likely that's an assumption 1992 01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,040 but 1993 01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,760 they only know what they are like we 1994 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,360 only know what we are 1995 01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,120 we're looking for carbon-based life 1996 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,000 every nasa mission okay to mars for 1997 01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,120 instance has had as one of its species 1998 01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,480 find other life forms like us 1999 01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:31,040 okay micro microscopic microbial 2000 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,560 whatever but that's the that's the 2001 01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,920 mission okay 2002 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,600 considering that's true 2003 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,320 also consider that carbon-based life 2004 01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:40,560 forms require oxygen 2005 01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:41,440 to 2006 01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,719 energy okay they need oxygen so there'll 2007 01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,760 be some type of uh respiratory system 2008 01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,840 that uses oxygen 2009 01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:52,719 all right 2010 01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,760 and so therefore any alien species 2011 01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,760 that's carbon based most likely is going 2012 01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,440 to use oxygen so what are they going to 2013 01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,320 do they're going to look for it 2014 01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:04,719 that have oxygen in their atmospheres 2015 01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,120 and guess what i know something [\h__\h] 2016 01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,560 said 2017 01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,480 that we should hide from the aliens and 2018 01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,960 keep a low profile but guess what two 2019 01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,040 billion years ago oxygen was building up 2020 01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,040 in our our atmosphere because of 2021 01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:19,520 phytoplankton in the ocean 2022 01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,400 okay 2023 01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,239 they build the ocean 2024 01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:23,920 so what's that doing it means that we've 2025 01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:26,840 been announcing to the universe for 2026 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,960 billion years 2027 01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,990 and guess what it's a blue light yeah 2028 01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:34,400 carl sagan said that the pale blue dot 2029 01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,270 we aren't so pale 2030 01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:41,360 if you're an advanced species we stand 2031 01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:45,120 out like a blue beacon of of wowza okay 2032 01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,080 and so 2033 01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,840 alien species are gonna say hey look at 2034 01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,640 that they have oxygen let's go see 2035 01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:52,000 if they have the capability they're 2036 01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:53,040 gonna come 2037 01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,159 and you gotta remember that we're 2038 01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:56,960 broadcasting that in all directions the 2039 01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,840 life we are planning everywhere 2040 01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,280 so 2041 01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,520 really like the answer thank you all 2042 01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:05,120 right ted you did you want to add to 2043 01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,239 that ted or do you have your own 2044 01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:08,239 thoughts well sure you know the original 2045 01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,640 question is why would they come here 2046 01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,880 um you know all the well i think 2047 01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,239 probably one of the most significant 2048 01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,000 contributions that obvi made was his 2049 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,560 paper on 2050 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,400 the ambient temperature of the universe 2051 01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,880 during its earliest epoch 2052 01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,199 and he he estimated that 2053 01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,040 a few hundred years a hundred thousand 2054 01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,640 years after the big bang the ambient 2055 01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,239 temperature of the universe was 73 2056 01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:32,080 degrees 2057 01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,880 and 2058 01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,800 given that he you know that's energy 2059 01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:36,960 right that's all part of the life 2060 01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,199 process that's why life is created in 2061 01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,280 zones around stars right now because 2062 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:43,360 it's cold out there you know and if you 2063 01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:44,800 want chemistry to happen you need it 2064 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,760 warmer 2065 01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,920 and and so the metabolism and all these 2066 01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:49,360 things can take place like mark was 2067 01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,640 saying 2068 01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,400 so first off there's plenty of time for 2069 01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:54,960 a saturation of the universe in terms of 2070 01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,440 um life and intelligent life and 2071 01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,120 technically enhanced 2072 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:00,480 uh 2073 01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,280 dr kaku dr minishu kaku 2074 01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,280 applied the kardashev scale to 2075 01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:08,960 interstellar travel 2076 01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,800 you know and he suggested that that you 2077 01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,000 know 2078 01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,159 we could break down our understanding of 2079 01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,840 the capacity of a civilization by its 2080 01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,080 ability to travel much the same way 2081 01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,679 kardashev suggested that we can break 2082 01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,520 down the way how powerful the 2083 01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,280 civilization was by the size of its 2084 01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,440 radio signals um and the ability to 2085 01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,719 generate the energy to make those 2086 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:27,760 signals 2087 01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,719 um 2088 01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:29,760 so 2089 01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,159 the uh 2090 01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,120 what we're looking at you know i mean 2091 01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,360 for them to make these transits 2092 01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,360 here from wherever they come from 2093 01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,120 um 2094 01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:44,159 equal and that's what what's going on 2095 01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:45,440 here and i'm not delusional and 2096 01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,480 everything's 2097 01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,040 kind of what we think it is um 2098 01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,840 to to make those transits at light speed 2099 01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,239 is is really 2100 01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,239 really doesn't work you know what i mean 2101 01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:59,360 it really it takes a long long time 2102 01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:02,080 generational chips this kind of thing so 2103 01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:04,080 you need a work capacity to begin with 2104 01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,239 and we're learning that work is possible 2105 01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,480 likely 2106 01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:10,800 right and 2107 01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,870 what we're looking at is if we are 2108 01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,320 looking at a civilization that's here 2109 01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,239 it's probably a cost class two class 2110 01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,199 three civilization that's capable of um 2111 01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,280 general of exploiting general 2112 01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:25,679 relativistic principles in transit 2113 01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,560 um 2114 01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,719 and it's probably got a very advanced 2115 01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,120 materials engineering manufacturing 2116 01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,440 process it's probably got a very in the 2117 01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:35,280 know um 2118 01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,159 nano technological system i mean and 2119 01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,920 i'll just just add that you know 2120 01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,000 my own observation of one device that i 2121 01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,480 saw the interior of the there was 2122 01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,679 nothing in there except the crew i mean 2123 01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:49,280 everything was in the hole of the device 2124 01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:52,239 is my guess it was a very simple thing 2125 01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:53,600 um 2126 01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:55,280 can you describe that a little bit more 2127 01:18:03,430 --> 01:17:56,640 detail ted 2128 01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,189 was this like a window you were looking 2129 01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:07,120 through like let's let's hear a little 2130 01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,400 bit more about it 2131 01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,320 what it was was a cylinder and it was 2132 01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,400 transparent on one side you couldn't see 2133 01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:14,080 through it but you can see into it they 2134 01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:15,360 had a deck 2135 01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,320 um 2136 01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:18,159 there were three crewmen standing in the 2137 01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,520 middle of it with their hands on a panel 2138 01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,360 and a heads up display and they were 2139 01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,840 facing us so the device was broadside it 2140 01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:25,520 had jumped from a mile away and come to 2141 01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,280 a dead stop in front of our car faster 2142 01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,960 than i could blink 2143 01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,560 i was looking right at it if i hadn't 2144 01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,920 been looking at it i wouldn't have seen 2145 01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:34,080 it when it happened and so it just goes 2146 01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,360 whack and stops right in front of the 2147 01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:37,199 car and then matches our speed down the 2148 01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,920 road and so i get this whole broadside 2149 01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:42,159 interior cross-section of this 2150 01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:43,040 thing 2151 01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,320 and i could see the deck they were 2152 01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,920 standing on there was a void underneath 2153 01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,920 it um and there was nothing in there 2154 01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:49,199 there was no chairs there was no 2155 01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,080 anything 2156 01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,199 so and again what does that look like 2157 01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:54,960 they didn't look like us had big light 2158 01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:57,199 bulb shaped heads little skinny bodies 2159 01:19:02,870 --> 01:18:58,239 um 2160 01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,550 there was a lot of physics in that that 2161 01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,000 experience so there was a lot i could 2162 01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,159 see that happened that now i've spent 20 2163 01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,600 years studying the field i know how to 2164 01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,000 talk about it you know so that it's 2165 01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,120 interesting right it's appropriate 2166 01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,719 i got a hunch they don't use a lot of 2167 01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,560 energy to do what they do even though in 2168 01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:20,080 our calculations we would we would 2169 01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:23,360 imagine that they would need it um 2170 01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,640 their um 2171 01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,320 everything about their systems looks 2172 01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,320 different you know in in terms of how 2173 01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:30,000 they function and we're gonna find that 2174 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,679 out you know again because they don't 2175 01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,840 fly like anything that we know flies 2176 01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,000 they don't fly like a ballistically like 2177 01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,120 a bow and arrow they don't fly um like 2178 01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,679 like a uh an aerostat or a light or an 2179 01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:43,760 air object they don't they don't fly 2180 01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,800 like an airplane right so we've got this 2181 01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,560 whole other thing what are they doing 2182 01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,719 and it's uh if they can make angular 2183 01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,800 turns at speed if they can come to 2184 01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,280 sudden stops from speed with very sudden 2185 01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,280 decelerations this kind of thing then 2186 01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,560 we're looking at something very 2187 01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,520 different 2188 01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,080 um the case that dr knuth took down was 2189 01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:04,159 a 2190 01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,760 seconds 2191 01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,880 and the argument was about you know 2192 01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,440 yeah huge g's and kinetic energy there 2193 01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:19,280 should have been a rape explosion at the 2194 01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:20,320 end of that 2195 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:21,280 you know 2196 01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,800 tons of tnt 2197 01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,320 as that thing throws off the kinetic 2198 01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,239 energy which didn't happen 2199 01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:28,480 um yeah so all of these are 2200 01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,679 tell us 2201 01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,960 go ahead 2202 01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:32,239 no i'm just saying that's the same thing 2203 01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:34,080 with no sonic boom no splash in the 2204 01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:36,000 water 2205 01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,199 ripping through the atmosphere but 2206 01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,320 leaving no plasma trail no no ionization 2207 01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,560 the way a meteor would 2208 01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:44,719 um you know meteor's doing 40 000 miles 2209 01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:45,840 an hour when it hits the upper 2210 01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:48,080 atmosphere what to do it the ionization 2211 01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,679 by impact 2212 01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,320 yeah you know these don't do that 2213 01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,880 um so there's a lot of clues in all of 2214 01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:57,120 this that that we can look at and say 2215 01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,320 well 2216 01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,159 you know and what i share in terms of my 2217 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,920 own observations that's 2218 01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,520 it's already visible in all the other 2219 01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:05,520 cases i'm just i'm just offering it 2220 01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,280 because people need to get used to the 2221 01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:09,120 idea people like me who've seen these 2222 01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,239 things who are 2223 01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,880 talking about them in a rational way 2224 01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,199 you know it um and you had you had two 2225 01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:17,360 other uh witnesses with you that day too 2226 01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,080 right yeah yeah i wasn't driving you 2227 01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,560 know i was in the car and uh 2228 01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,159 uh when when the thing this is the 2229 01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,560 temporal effect i was talking about mark 2230 01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,800 um when the thing pulled up to the car 2231 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:31,040 it was about 4 30 in the afternoon it 2232 01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,400 was about 15 feet in front of the 2233 01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,840 vehicle and just above we could see 2234 01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:36,239 under it to see the road sue refused to 2235 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,360 stop the car 2236 01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,760 the the thing pulled over to one side on 2237 01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,360 us and right in this zone right about 2238 01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,880 here 2239 01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,360 it went from 4 30 and even we traveled 2240 01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:47,520 about 90 seconds about a mile and a half 2241 01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,950 and she didn't stop driving we didn't 2242 01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,360 leave the road it was very disorienting 2243 01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,480 you know it was like a very weird moment 2244 01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,040 sounds like a missing time episode 2245 01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:03,760 well it's accelerated time you know it 2246 01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,040 was 2247 01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,800 there's a boundary zone between them and 2248 01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,199 us if you get too close to it 2249 01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:11,760 it changes your relationship to your 2250 01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,040 frame 2251 01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,000 i understand that i might and and then 2252 01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,239 the only thing i i might 2253 01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,080 disagree with you on one thing that you 2254 01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:22,560 mean i'll talk about this too but 2255 01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,280 sure 2256 01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,639 he said that they don't you know it 2257 01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,920 doesn't appear like they use a lot of 2258 01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,880 energy 2259 01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,239 i actually kind of think it's just the 2260 01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,159 opposite they have actually secured a 2261 01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,159 way to use 2262 01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,239 limitless energy provided by the 2263 01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,719 universe itself and thus they it's 2264 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,159 incorporated into their systems which 2265 01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,800 looks simple to to you and to us that 2266 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,080 might see them 2267 01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:43,840 uh say nothing inside or whatever no 2268 01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,560 visible means of propulsion etc right 2269 01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,400 but we are only five thousand years into 2270 01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,000 keeping our actual history like from 2271 01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,560 samaria on forward right 2272 01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:54,159 we already see ways to use the 2273 01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,280 alcubierre drive that you were 2274 01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:57,440 referencing earlier the warp drive right 2275 01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,719 near a star in perhaps one to two weeks 2276 01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,360 if we go at a proper speed it'll 2277 01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,760 actually be a variant of the uh the 2278 01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,520 froning el cobiari variant that would 2279 01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,199 actually allow us to get there safely 2280 01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:12,000 without sloughing off as you say when 2281 01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,520 when we have the kinetic 2282 01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,960 uh when we stop 2283 01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:16,400 a lot of energy built up on our 2284 01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,760 windshield kind of like bugs on the 2285 01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,800 windshield we're gonna have to go 2286 01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,719 somewhere and coming off as terms of 2287 01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,719 energy that would obliterate the very 2288 01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:25,040 solar system we're trying to enter so 2289 01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,400 we have to use a different way to kind 2290 01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:28,800 of stuff that energy past us and let the 2291 01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,080 bugs 2292 01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,000 on the way through that little gap that 2293 01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,440 we crossed 2294 01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,560 but 2295 01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,480 that's not the only thing i have an 2296 01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,639 issue with there but and so everything 2297 01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,920 else 2298 01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,080 it stands to reason and it's worth 2299 01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,480 investigating to to you know generate 2300 01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,080 proofs of right i mean 2301 01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:48,239 you know it's all speculation until we 2302 01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,280 have 2303 01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,040 this darn ship in front of us and we can 2304 01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,040 say hey ted can you take that apart i'll 2305 01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:56,159 stand over here behind the shield 2306 01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,520 well you know that's the funny thing i 2307 01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,840 don't need anybody to believe me okay 2308 01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,080 and my story isn't really anything other 2309 01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,360 than it it's to inform from the side 2310 01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,920 you know just to say hey you know 2311 01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,560 don't discount this this is part of 2312 01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:13,440 the general data set you know um 2313 01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:16,159 i know that in the end reality and 2314 01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,679 research and good science is going to 2315 01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,120 resolve what this is and either i'm 2316 01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,440 right or not and i i i don't have an 2317 01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,880 investment in it i've never made any 2318 01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:24,000 money at this i'm just trying to 2319 01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,199 understand 2320 01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,800 why these things have happened to people 2321 01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,159 and to me and 2322 01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,080 um and to understand what the nature of 2323 01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,159 all this really implies 2324 01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:34,480 uh and it was really hard sitting there 2325 01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:36,880 in this group of engineers 2326 01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,960 and uh listening to all of this these 2327 01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,280 ideas that they had and they had many 2328 01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,360 good ones um 2329 01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:46,000 i i but but it was all about how the how 2330 01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,600 this was happening 2331 01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,520 and i just wanted to scream you do you 2332 01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:51,920 care about why you know 2333 01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,880 why is this happening you know and and 2334 01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,080 because you know the nerds they get 2335 01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,400 focused down into into their you know 2336 01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,960 their their particular corner and the 2337 01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,800 big picture issues just kind of go by 2338 01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,400 because that's what they do they focus 2339 01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:06,320 and and you know that conversation's 2340 01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,600 happening somewhere else i don't have 2341 01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,239 any doubt about that but but um 2342 01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,480 but as somebody who came to this as an 2343 01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,080 experienced first and then became a 2344 01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,000 researcher and then started carrying 2345 01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,239 that torch a little bit to get this ball 2346 01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,960 turning you know um 2347 01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,880 you know i personally would like to see 2348 01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,159 a little bit of 2349 01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,159 focus on that 2350 01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:28,000 and i think that comes from just trauma 2351 01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,719 from 2352 01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,800 my own experiences with them and wanting 2353 01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:31,520 to 2354 01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,639 see something happen you know ron neary 2355 01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,960 from close encounters got nothing on me 2356 01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,000 nothing 2357 01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,880 you know 2358 01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,719 that's funny um 2359 01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,840 i agree with that and i i think that um 2360 01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,480 i think that the concepts of 2361 01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,239 how they travel or whatever i mean i i 2362 01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:52,239 like the concept that miguel alcubierre 2363 01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,600 came up with 2364 01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,840 because you know if you have like a 2365 01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,199 paper right you know and you're going 2366 01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,360 from this corner to this corner 2367 01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,040 if we if we just measure that length 2368 01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,199 that's a long distance right on this 2369 01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,440 cloth but if we hold space and just do 2370 01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,040 this and bring those points right next 2371 01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:08,960 to each other then we just have to cross 2372 01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:11,199 a little tiny gap effectively and then 2373 01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,600 unfolds now we're there without crossing 2374 01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:15,120 the intervening space 2375 01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:16,159 so 2376 01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,719 it was just a thought problem everybody 2377 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,480 said wow cool miguel haha we'll put it 2378 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,480 on the shelf because we can't do it but 2379 01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,440 then 2380 01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,149 bunny white right down at the eagle 2381 01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,719 works labs when he was working there 2382 01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:35,679 he reformulated the shape of the ship 2383 01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:38,639 basically the the the toroid that would 2384 01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,440 actually 2385 01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,159 this warp bubble that the ship needed 2386 01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,159 previously it needed like the energy 2387 01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,840 equivalent of converting the mass of 2388 01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,679 jupiter to energy which of course is 2389 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,600 ridiculously colossally tremendously 2390 01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,280 impossible for even advanced 2391 01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,960 civilization probably 2392 01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,080 but 2393 01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,920 in working it he figured out that he 2394 01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:57,440 could do this with something more like 2395 01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,800 the size of say like the voyager 2396 01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,360 spacecraft converted to energy 2397 01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,360 and that's why nasa's funded research to 2398 01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,199 look into this possibility 2399 01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:07,199 it won't be ready now or won't be ready 2400 01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:09,280 now but maybe in three or four hundred 2401 01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,719 five hundred we'll have a coke 2402 01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:12,320 bottle-sized probe that can go to alpha 2403 01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,520 centauri 2404 01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,480 you know 2405 01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,440 and that's the start right i mean 2406 01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,440 out there that are maybe 10 000 years a 2407 01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:21,440 million years a billion years ahead of 2408 01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,800 us or more 2409 01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:24,639 what do they look like 2410 01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,520 you know 2411 01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,199 what do they mean 2412 01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:28,960 you know and and how do they interact 2413 01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:30,840 with the universe 2414 01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,520 yeah how do they get there how are they 2415 01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,120 one with the universe are they like part 2416 01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:36,960 of the fabric of the universe 2417 01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:40,080 uh are they i i did this talk in denver 2418 01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,120 years ago 2419 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,920 uh are they part of the the 2420 01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:45,520 visiting species perhaps that are 2421 01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,199 responsible for 2422 01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,520 having every religious deity on the 2423 01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,199 planet earth and all the various 2424 01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,840 cultures be shown with halos 2425 01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,800 okay 2426 01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,880 the the wanjina have halos that's 2427 01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:58,159 australia 2428 01:28:02,790 --> 01:27:59,679 yeah 2429 01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:02,800 5 000 years ago that was put on their 2430 01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,280 cave walls and picked pictographs okay 2431 01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,120 valkamonica aliens are they helmeted 2432 01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:09,520 warriors or are those halos you know 2433 01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,960 every single renaissance painting 2434 01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,520 showing our our deities uh we've got you 2435 01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,400 know halos around the deities where did 2436 01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,199 the halo come from and my my view is it 2437 01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,040 had to be observed it was probably 2438 01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,120 observed and then recorded 2439 01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,600 right right so if that's the case 2440 01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,280 now we're talking about 2441 01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,520 visitation from more than one group 2442 01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,800 potentially 2443 01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:31,760 and 2444 01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:35,600 as i said we are an oxygen blazing blue 2445 01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,639 ball 2446 01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,239 we're not a pale blue dot we're a 2447 01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:40,000 blazing blue ball 2448 01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,719 yeah we stick out a sore thumb no doubt 2449 01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,320 your thumb yeah like i said and i think 2450 01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:46,239 that we are a signal to every other 2451 01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:47,600 carbon-based life-form in the universe 2452 01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,239 hey go there that's where the party is 2453 01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,639 look there's here we can study 2454 01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,440 you know the thing the thing about this 2455 01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:56,960 the thing about this though mark is that 2456 01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:59,679 there are so many of these blue balls 2457 01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,199 now you know 2458 01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,280 our extra solar planetary searches are 2459 01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:05,360 revealing the high density of water 2460 01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,960 bearing planets and and moons everywhere 2461 01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:11,600 yes we have to be careful about water 2462 01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,120 bearing planets because we don't really 2463 01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,520 know for sure yet when the james frost 2464 01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,719 gets up there 2465 01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,560 it'll be able to infer an oxygen 2466 01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:20,239 atmosphere can't observe it directly 2467 01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:22,000 because oxygen is actually in the 2468 01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,600 visible spectrum it's 2469 01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:25,679 it's spectral signatures but carbon 2470 01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,800 dioxide methane and other 2471 01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,880 um signatures are in the infrared part 2472 01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,880 of the spectrum and this will allow us 2473 01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,960 to infer based on the the quantities of 2474 01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:35,679 each 2475 01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,400 whether there's oxygen there or not um 2476 01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,400 certainly a civilization that's advanced 2477 01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,560 will have figured out a way to look 2478 01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,080 directly at the planet and say hey is 2479 01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,239 there oxygen in this atmosphere and if 2480 01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,080 the answer is yes it'll say ooh 2481 01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:50,800 how much can we survive there well you 2482 01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,840 got to think okay a planet like ours 2483 01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,360 here's the thing that's so cool a planet 2484 01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:57,600 like ours is one that's that's that's 2485 01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,840 not in equilibrium we'd like to think 2486 01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:01,600 we're in equilibrium you know and i know 2487 01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,719 people talk about climate change all 2488 01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:04,639 that stuff that's not this 2489 01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,800 we have more oxygen in our atmosphere 2490 01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:08,320 than should be there 2491 01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,040 the oxygen is there and thus so are we 2492 01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,840 but it's a disequilibrium process 2493 01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:15,840 there's more oxygen being pumped into 2494 01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,320 the atmosphere and made by something and 2495 01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:19,920 an alien civilization is going to know 2496 01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,719 that because they know that oxygen 2497 01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:24,800 of a regular planet is going to get 2498 01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,840 absorbed into the rock strata and become 2499 01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,000 you know 2500 01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:32,960 other compounds that bond with oxygen 2501 01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,600 like mars okay mars lost its oxygen for 2502 01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:37,280 you know billions of years ago 2503 01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,080 to 2504 01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:40,080 the iron compounds in the soil for a 2505 01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,440 whole bunch of reasons but those the 2506 01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:43,840 oxygen went into the soil and it became 2507 01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:46,080 uh various forms of hematite basically 2508 01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,430 yeah so the point being this this 2509 01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,800 oxygen if it's in this copious amount 2510 01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:00,639 aliens are gonna know extraterrestrial 2511 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:01,920 species are going to know that it's 2512 01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:04,000 because it's out of equilibrium which 2513 01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,840 means something's pumping oxygen which 2514 01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,800 means 2515 01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,719 maybe it's absorbent 2516 01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,480 or maybe it's life 2517 01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,480 right right and that's the thing that 2518 01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,800 matters most of all i think to a species 2519 01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:16,400 looking for another world 2520 01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:17,840 that has life 2521 01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,360 that is well existent number one and 2522 01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:23,679 possibly like them number two 2523 01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,600 we look like we do because of our 2524 01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:27,280 specialized you know path through 2525 01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,520 evolution and all the five major 2526 01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,760 extinction events we had here of course 2527 01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:33,760 so that said that's why we look the way 2528 01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,639 we do 2529 01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,440 we can't bet for one second that another 2530 01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,560 species is gonna have the same kind of 2531 01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,760 situation 2532 01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:43,440 uh they might be on a tidally locked 2533 01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,960 planet which is going around their star 2534 01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,880 facing the star 2535 01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:48,639 like a small star 2536 01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:51,199 slightly bigger than jupiter okay and 2537 01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:57,350 right the very low temperature stars 2538 01:32:02,310 --> 01:31:58,960 and there's so many variables as you 2539 01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,320 said martin neil that that we don't know 2540 01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,760 what to expect when we get out there but 2541 01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:05,280 we also don't know what to expect for 2542 01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,080 life 2543 01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,560 we don't know what we see as grace maybe 2544 01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,040 those are maybe those are creatures that 2545 01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,120 come from one of these m-class dwarfs 2546 01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:15,520 these red stars so they have big eyes to 2547 01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:16,880 be able to see 2548 01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,639 in the dimmer light 2549 01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,639 right that's right 2550 01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:23,199 more gravity skinnier bodies 2551 01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:24,400 um 2552 01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:27,920 all of that yeah all that we gotta 2553 01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:30,320 go ahead sorry about that uh mark i i 2554 01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:31,520 don't want to forget to talk to you 2555 01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:34,239 about your series that um i uh a friend 2556 01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,400 of mine i watched you and called alien 2557 01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,560 invasion it was great but we do have a 2558 01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:40,960 caller right now jeff is calling from 2559 01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,600 indiana jeff you're on the air welcome 2560 01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:45,520 to the show 2561 01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:47,360 hi joe 2562 01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,990 i'll say that one more time we have jeff 2563 01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,920 from indiana on the line jeff you're 2564 01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,760 live welcome to the show 2565 01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:57,760 yeah thank you very much 2566 01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:00,159 i just want to say i'm with ted 2567 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:20,470 all right well hey thanks for the call 2568 01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:22,629 yeah when you when you when you've seen 2569 01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:24,159 this and you're in a conversation with 2570 01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:27,440 people who haven't it's really a bummer 2571 01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:33,030 if you're if you happen if you if you 2572 01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:34,480 happen 2573 01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:35,360 jeff 2574 01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,239 if you happen to be running your program 2575 01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,400 uh that you're listening to the show uh 2576 01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,800 please uh please get out of that please 2577 01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:44,320 cancel it please mute it whatever you 2578 01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,239 need to do if you happen to be listening 2579 01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:47,920 to that you want to listen to us we're 2580 01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,229 all right so 2581 01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:56,639 thank you jeff uh anyway the line is 2582 01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:57,440 open 2583 01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:58,719 and uh 2584 01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:01,040 i'm sorry jeff the line is open and that 2585 01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:02,159 number is 2586 01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,280 uh 2587 01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:05,520 eight five five four seven two five four 2588 01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:07,840 eight three don't you love live 2589 01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:11,600 radio uh it is a challenge yeah you said 2590 01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,840 i i do wanna go ahead mark what were you 2591 01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:15,040 gonna say 2592 01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:16,320 this is martin's show and we're like 2593 01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:17,600 taking over ted what the heck you know 2594 01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,760 we got to stop this 2595 01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,840 i'm enjoying the heck out of it 2596 01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,760 i really enjoyed it very much 2597 01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:25,679 but ted mentioned earlier okay it was 2598 01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,120 something that i wanted to pursue a 2599 01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:29,600 little bit yes i got it down you know 2600 01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,520 yeah right there yeah you have to do 2601 01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:33,040 everything backwards when we talked 2602 01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:35,440 about when we talked about um 2603 01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,800 you know alien species around say 2604 01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,800 another planet looking different than us 2605 01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,480 right 2606 01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:42,639 you know there's rumors of other kinds 2607 01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,280 of creatures right that have been seen 2608 01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,239 and you know i i have never been 2609 01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:50,159 a fan of the people that say that 2610 01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,360 there's all these types of creatures 2611 01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:53,440 that exist out there and you know the 2612 01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:56,480 nordics the reptilians all that stuff um 2613 01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,880 but i have to say 2614 01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,480 that 2615 01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,000 if the dinosaurs didn't die 2616 01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:06,880 in the kt boundary event the chicks 2617 01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,119 would meet asteroid strike okay if they 2618 01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:11,520 didn't get white over the intervening 2619 01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,320 time the months after the strike um 2620 01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,239 what would have happened 2621 01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:20,639 there was one theropod meat eater that 2622 01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:23,520 was actually gaining uh a fairly 2623 01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:26,080 significant cranial capacity 2624 01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,760 when he was 2625 01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:29,520 would that dinosaur have become 2626 01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,800 intelligent 2627 01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,719 we certainly can't say no but we 2628 01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,880 certainly can't say yes 2629 01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,880 but you think about that and you think 2630 01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:38,719 well what if the fact that there were 2631 01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:40,840 dinosaurs here is that a 2632 01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:43,920 consequence of the way carbon-based life 2633 01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,560 evolves on a planet kind of like ours 2634 01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:48,800 would there be dinosaurs elsewhere or 2635 01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,000 some version of dinosaurs elsewhere 2636 01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:54,400 don't know but if there is 2637 01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,400 then maybe the people that say there are 2638 01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:00,239 and i like i said i 2639 01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,760 i always refrain from saying this 2640 01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,280 because it makes you sound like a nut 2641 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,360 case right if there are people that say 2642 01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:07,600 there's reptilians out there 2643 01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,119 i guess i could imagine a species 2644 01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:13,679 that may have had a similar event but 2645 01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,080 didn't have the killing off 2646 01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,639 of their dinosaurs at some point and 2647 01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,400 then dinosaurs are a consequence of a 2648 01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,480 variety of you know events here on this 2649 01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,080 planet no guarantee would happen 2650 01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,239 elsewhere right but if i did i could 2651 01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:28,400 imagine that there could be a species 2652 01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,520 like that you know and 2653 01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:33,119 as far as your experience you had you 2654 01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:35,040 had the experience you talked about ted 2655 01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:36,320 right 2656 01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,639 well i had missing time as a kid i lost 2657 01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,400 an entire day 2658 01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:42,159 and i still had my bag lunch from this 2659 01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,760 field trip i was supposed to go on with 2660 01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,880 my school 2661 01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:46,480 and i was sitting back on the bus with 2662 01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,560 it and everybody said where were you all 2663 01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:50,719 day and i was like well when are we 2664 01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,480 going to get to the pond and of course i 2665 01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,920 got called every name of the book you 2666 01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:56,159 jack we've already been to the pond 2667 01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,360 okay then 2668 01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:59,600 i had something shoved up by sinus 2669 01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,480 right 2670 01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,560 which uh was 2671 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,960 a very very strange thing it was some 2672 01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:07,280 thing that made me immobile and i saw it 2673 01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,320 coming in 2674 01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,920 and i couldn't move my eyes to look at 2675 01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:11,280 it i was sort of in that like 2676 01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,639 hip-the-pompic state you know where 2677 01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,960 you're kind of in the netherworld i use 2678 01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,560 it to meditate actually when i want to 2679 01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,400 because it's a really nice feeling 2680 01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:20,320 well i ended up 2681 01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,080 watching this thing move this wand type 2682 01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:24,320 thing look like a actually imagine an 2683 01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,480 illuminated 2684 01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,880 okay white moving back and forth in 2685 01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,400 front of my face next thing you know it 2686 01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:31,760 was morning 2687 01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:34,400 uh and i was literally lying in my own 2688 01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,360 blood 2689 01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:37,760 face down all right actually drowning 2690 01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,840 almost in my own blood so 2691 01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,920 this and 2692 01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:43,679 you know going to a surgeon after they 2693 01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,280 took it out and 2694 01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,639 he said that's the biggest thing i've 2695 01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,880 ever seen in someone's nose i don't even 2696 01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,560 know what to tell you he said we're 2697 01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,400 going to send it to pathology i'll give 2698 01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,199 you an answer in a week okay any any and 2699 01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:57,040 i said to them can those things seed 2700 01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,880 around like a foreign object in 2701 01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:00,320 someone's nose 2702 01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:02,080 and he said well yeah you mean like a 2703 01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:04,400 metal splinter from a machinist oh yeah 2704 01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:07,360 it was yeah and why well i explained the 2705 01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:09,360 the terrifying events that i had which 2706 01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:10,719 actually forced me to leave the previous 2707 01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:13,119 house actually it was really terrifying 2708 01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:14,239 um and 2709 01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:18,159 uh when when uh he said that um 2710 01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:20,400 i said oh i know it's not aliens i am 2711 01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:21,760 sure it's not alien things and then he 2712 01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,639 goes yeah of course not well 2713 01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,520 uh i called him in a week and i when i 2714 01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,960 asked when the the secretary answered 2715 01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:30,320 the phone and she go oh hello it's 2716 01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:32,800 doctor hello yeah it's mark antonio oh 2717 01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,239 hold on doctor has to talk to him like 2718 01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,480 oh no it's like head cancer or something 2719 01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,560 like that my head's gonna fall off 2720 01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,560 he gets on the phone and he goes 2721 01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,639 yeah no worries uh it's probably benign 2722 01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,880 not to worry about it oh okay so you 2723 01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,480 didn't get probably you said it was 2724 01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:49,920 probably not benign right 2725 01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:51,440 and then yes 2726 01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:54,960 okay and i said yeah uh okay benign but 2727 01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:56,239 so you don't have the results he goes 2728 01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:57,360 well 2729 01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,639 that's a little bit of a mystery because 2730 01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,800 the lie exact phrase for the first time 2731 01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:04,800 in the history of this office 2732 01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,199 the pathology office down below 2733 01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:08,880 downstairs 2734 01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,679 said that they can't find the sample 2735 01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,880 it's gone 2736 01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:14,400 it crawled off 2737 01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:18,480 i do know that it's it's probably been 2738 01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:19,360 you know 2739 01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:20,800 taken somewhere 2740 01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,990 well or or somebody from washington came 2741 01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:27,600 to get it and the reason i think that 2742 01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:30,719 was it was because few years later i had 2743 01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,560 to go back to him for something else 2744 01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,400 and you know i had done a lot of special 2745 01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:36,320 work for the navy i still do well i 2746 01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,520 wrote on there that i do special 2747 01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:40,080 projects for the navy with my company 2748 01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:41,199 okay 2749 01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:43,040 and he came in and he says oh special 2750 01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:45,199 projects huh and i detailed one of the 2751 01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,320 two of the things that i could talk 2752 01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:48,080 about with him and he 2753 01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:50,000 told me about what he did as well 2754 01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,600 and he said but i just gave up my top 2755 01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:54,480 secret clearance this year 2756 01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,360 what 2757 01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:57,040 are you operating on top secret giant 2758 01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,880 polyps in people's sinuses or that kind 2759 01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,480 of thing and he laughed it off he goes 2760 01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,960 no no no i was not always a surgeon he 2761 01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,760 said 2762 01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:05,199 and he got really serious about that and 2763 01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:06,800 oh and he proceeded to tell me about 2764 01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:09,280 this event he worked on project starfish 2765 01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,719 do you remember that one 2766 01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:11,920 no no 2767 01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,109 well that wasn't exactly true 2768 01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,199 he said they used it to take down a 2769 01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,960 satellite 2770 01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,080 his words 2771 01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,480 okay and he says and we were successful 2772 01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,280 it lit up honolulu from 600 miles away 2773 01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,960 okay 2774 01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,400 yeah you know with a flash an 2775 01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,960 instantaneous flash well anyway 2776 01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,960 that told me everything because i know 2777 01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,560 what the protocols are having been in 2778 01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,400 that world um 2779 01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:44,239 he had to call someone in washington to 2780 01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:46,159 say look i had a patient blah blah blah 2781 01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,880 and 2782 01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,639 he says this happened you know whether 2783 01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,320 it is or not i just want to let you know 2784 01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,920 okay thank you where's the sample it's 2785 01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,119 in the pathology office here at the 2786 01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,360 hospital okay thank you and now you see 2787 01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:57,199 he has plausible deniability he really 2788 01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:58,400 doesn't know 2789 01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,440 right 2790 01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:00,639 and where it went 2791 01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,280 i would uh i would very much 2792 01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,960 i would very much enjoy chatting with 2793 01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:07,040 you offline um 2794 01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,480 uh i've got a 2795 01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:10,320 got a kind of a similar story to tell 2796 01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:11,600 you about 2797 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:20,390 yeah not good um but there's nothing 2798 01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,760 that's the thing about all of this 2799 01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,000 there's i i don't you judge them by what 2800 01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,080 they do or what you experience in the in 2801 01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,760 the presence of the phenomenon if you're 2802 01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,080 gonna if you're gonna be making value 2803 01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,880 judgments on it and um and you walk away 2804 01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,040 not feeling terribly good about it 2805 01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,920 uh in terms of what's going on i if this 2806 01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:39,760 is an intelligence then they have the 2807 01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,320 ability to communicate and they're not 2808 01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,159 um they have the ability to explain 2809 01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,800 themselves and they don't you know and 2810 01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:48,880 people people are subjected to them 2811 01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,480 without choice 2812 01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,639 right all creatures have boundaries our 2813 01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,560 emotions are based on managing our 2814 01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,800 boundaries our diplomacy is based on 2815 01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,239 managing our 2816 01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,480 boundaries you know a lot of the a lot 2817 01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:01,920 of the words we have are so that we can 2818 01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,719 manage our boundaries right and they 2819 01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,560 they don't care about our boundaries you 2820 01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:09,360 know it is it's what i think it is we 2821 01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,840 don't care about the boundaries of elk 2822 01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,520 well it's it's 2823 01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,119 you know it's it's we're thinking in 2824 01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:17,040 human terms who knows how they think you 2825 01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,880 know i mean that's the technically 2826 01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:20,719 you can't define our morality to them 2827 01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,000 either that's the question that's a big 2828 01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,320 thing yeah you can't say that they feel 2829 01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,800 moral obligations not to hurt us they 2830 01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,560 may not have any such thing that's 2831 01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,159 that's that's projection of human 2832 01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,080 emotions and what 2833 01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,920 we have so 2834 01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,840 what we have though is a responsibility 2835 01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,199 to call it what it is and protect 2836 01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,639 ourselves 2837 01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,080 and and 2838 01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,400 and you know whether you know i swim in 2839 01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:44,159 the sea right you know i love everything 2840 01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,679 in there if it tries to bite me i'm 2841 01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:47,040 killing it 2842 01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:48,080 okay 2843 01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,880 it's 2844 01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,480 you know i can't afford to get bit by 2845 01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,320 things bigger than i am and and if they 2846 01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:53,920 try it i'm going to do everything i can 2847 01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:56,000 to stop it when i go out in the forest 2848 01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,360 here 2849 01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:00,880 i live in alaska right i i i can conceal 2850 01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:04,080 carry anywhere i go it's legal you know 2851 01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,440 i can have a driver's license in one 2852 01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,920 pocket a pistol in the other and 2853 01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:09,760 out here there's nobody there to protect 2854 01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,560 you it's it's all on you and whether you 2855 01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:14,800 and the bears and every other darn thing 2856 01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:18,000 you need you need i use layers i have a 2857 01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:20,320 i carry bear spray first right and then 2858 01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:21,920 it would be a backup of something else 2859 01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:24,800 but but but the idea that you know i 2860 01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:26,239 love all those critters i never want to 2861 01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:28,080 hurt them but i'm not going to let them 2862 01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,280 beat me you know 2863 01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:33,040 and if you're using your beard 2864 01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:34,400 it's already too close to get that 2865 01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:44,070 we have gasper uh yes it's gasper from 2866 01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,430 hi martin and um 2867 01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:53,760 i i only got 2868 01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:56,719 a little piece of um 2869 01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,520 a professor avi's interview i want to 2870 01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,440 look back and watch more of it 2871 01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,320 but one question i have 2872 01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:06,719 and one i would ask him 2873 01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,600 is what happens if he does 2874 01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,119 find 2875 01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,520 indisputable proof or really good 2876 01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,360 evidence 2877 01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:17,679 i can answer that i can answer that 2878 01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:20,800 because i did talk to him about that um 2879 01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:23,040 okay is this is not going to be 2880 01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,080 government 2881 01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,159 um is not going to have any connection 2882 01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:28,480 to this at all this is all 2883 01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,679 um he wants us completely transparent he 2884 01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,760 wants uh people to be able to access 2885 01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,880 this 2886 01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,880 access the feed he doesn't want to hide 2887 01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:39,360 anything he wants this you know to be 2888 01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:42,239 completely like i said it's completely 2889 01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,760 open to the public 2890 01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,040 i don't know if either one of you have 2891 01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,119 any more feedback on that well we hope 2892 01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,480 he gets his way 2893 01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,719 uh i know that with euphotog that we 2894 01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,480 renamed to the aerial anomaly the 2895 01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:53,920 detection system 2896 01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:56,480 that doug trumbull and i are working on 2897 01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,360 we also said it's going to be uh free 2898 01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,280 and you know humanity owns the data we 2899 01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,119 don't basically what we said we're just 2900 01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:05,040 gatherers 2901 01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,560 and within 2902 01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,639 six weeks of talking about it 2903 01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:10,080 doug got a call from the defense 2904 01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,199 department 2905 01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,440 and they wanted to know all the details 2906 01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,199 about what we're doing 2907 01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,040 and doug 2908 01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,840 read it basically said i don't think so 2909 01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:21,520 click 2910 01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:22,239 yeah 2911 01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:28,790 the reason why i'm asking too is because 2912 01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,840 you know i'm sure maybe this might have 2913 01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,400 had something to do with the department 2914 01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,119 of defense or whatever calling you but 2915 01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:39,119 you know you get into a situation where 2916 01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:40,480 yes i think 2917 01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,400 you know this information should be to 2918 01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,400 the public it should be 2919 01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:46,400 uh everyone's to hear 2920 01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,199 but 2921 01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:49,280 i often wonder like what are the 2922 01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,159 ramifications of that you know 2923 01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,760 this is a 2924 01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:56,719 phenomenon i only got into recently my 2925 01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:58,320 mom 2926 01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:01,760 it was around 1998 and her my brother 2927 01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:03,040 and sister 2928 01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,239 saw something and my dad and i were not 2929 01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:08,000 there at the time this was in gilbert 2930 01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:09,440 arizona 2931 01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:10,800 and it was 2932 01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,719 you know classic ufos uh more of a smear 2933 01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,400 i think she said 2934 01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:17,679 and 2935 01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,760 i completely dismissed her whole account 2936 01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,960 you know for 2937 01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,719 you know since that time period i 2938 01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,119 remember when she brought it up 2939 01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,520 my dad and i just kind of ridiculed and 2940 01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:31,840 made fun of her and she my brother and 2941 01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:34,719 sister just kept quiet about this 2942 01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:36,320 incident that happened and it wasn't 2943 01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,360 until 2944 01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,480 the nimitz incident and the you know the 2945 01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:42,159 press that it got in the new york times 2946 01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,119 where 2947 01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:45,440 you know i was like huh maybe there is 2948 01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,480 something 2949 01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:48,960 to this phenomenon and i 2950 01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,800 asked her after all those years you know 2951 01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,800 you know i asked her to relay the the 2952 01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,119 story back to me and she said you know 2953 01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,000 it's clear as day 12 in the afternoon 2954 01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,000 i'm standing in the backyard with your 2955 01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,400 brother and sister and this thing not 2956 01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,639 even a thousand feet in the air it was 2957 01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:08,400 just right above them almost like 2958 01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,840 looking at them 2959 01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,199 and 2960 01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,360 out of curiosity because my brother my 2961 01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:15,600 mother they had a falling out 2962 01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,159 i called him separately and i asked him 2963 01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,800 the details of that day and and the 2964 01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,440 shape of it how you know how fast it was 2965 01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:25,679 because she said it had left 2966 01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:27,280 she said it only hovered for about two 2967 01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:28,719 or three minutes and then it shot 2968 01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,800 straight up into the air like a gun it 2969 01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:33,040 was gone in about a second all these 2970 01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,320 details after all those years it was 2971 01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,119 very real and for me a person that 2972 01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:41,280 didn't believe in any of this stuff i 2973 01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:42,480 was like 2974 01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:45,199 shook to the core and so sometimes i 2975 01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:46,880 feel like 2976 01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:49,440 you know yes i want to hear the data but 2977 01:47:55,229 --> 01:47:52,719 how many people out there are really 2978 01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:55,239 ready to find out if this is 2979 01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,400 extraterrestrial and are able to 2980 01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:00,800 handle that kind of truth like i 2981 01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,400 sometimes wonder is this the reason why 2982 01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:06,480 stuff is being kept from us 2983 01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,280 is because that is one of the concerns 2984 01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:11,600 and it's a variable that the government 2985 01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:14,320 is taking into account like look we 2986 01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:15,840 you know we're observing these things 2987 01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:18,080 but we don't know much about it other 2988 01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,679 than it's real 2989 01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,040 and a lot of people are going to have 2990 01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,920 these questions and i'm assuming if uh 2991 01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,840 professor loeb or 2992 01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:27,840 mark you know 2993 01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,239 you know or ted or anyone gets a hold of 2994 01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:32,880 footage or real evidence 2995 01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,239 they're going to be asked those 2996 01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,480 questions of like where they come from 2997 01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,960 why is this here you know it's just 2998 01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:40,560 something i i 2999 01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,400 i think about like are are we ready 3000 01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,400 yeah 3001 01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,400 something there i saw that like i got to 3002 01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:50,080 say something 3003 01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:52,000 yeah you know gaspar i i think a lot 3004 01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:55,440 about this because i'm not um a phd i'm 3005 01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,400 not a physicist i'm i'm i was first an 3006 01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,320 administrator and before that i was an 3007 01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,880 experiencer and now i'm a researcher 3008 01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,960 and have been for 20 years so i've 3009 01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,800 learned a bit of all of that worn a lot 3010 01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:08,080 of hats 3011 01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,679 but the things that i lose sleep over 3012 01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,760 are exactly what you're talking about on 3013 01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,520 one hand we want transparency and we 3014 01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:15,119 argued for that when we spoke to the 3015 01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:16,560 aiaa 3016 01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,520 um 3017 01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,040 that it's very important the data should 3018 01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:21,360 be in a public repository where it can 3019 01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,840 be examined and replicated or or built 3020 01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,760 upon or debunked 3021 01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,119 and uh 3022 01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,800 and that you know all of that should be 3023 01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,800 in the public domain but at the same 3024 01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,560 time the question is you know there are 3025 01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,800 a lot of underserved populations because 3026 01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,719 of institutional bias around this 3027 01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,400 subject i have pilots and air 3028 01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,320 controllers but but think of 3029 01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,040 psychologists and their patients think 3030 01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,760 of other other types of relationships 3031 01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,560 where 3032 01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,080 uh the professional attitude of this 3033 01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,000 can't be happening obstructs the care 3034 01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,520 that people need 3035 01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:53,199 who it's happening to 3036 01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,560 and and then 3037 01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,560 i think about there are a lot of people 3038 01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,719 out there that really can't handle this 3039 01:50:01,350 --> 01:50:00,400 there there's uh um 3040 01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:01,360 there are a lot of people with 3041 01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,920 psychological issues and so on and and 3042 01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,159 uh this is a kind of thing that just 3043 01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,400 becomes almost something they can't 3044 01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:10,880 they can't cope with so i i just think 3045 01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:12,639 that that that perhaps 3046 01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,520 um 3047 01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:15,520 you're right gaspar with your concerns i 3048 01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:16,239 i 3049 01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:17,280 uh 3050 01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,239 i 3051 01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,840 you know 3052 01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,280 imagine you've got desperate they're 3053 01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,639 going to claim they're in the favor of 3054 01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,480 the aliens right and it's all going 3055 01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,639 their way and you've got 3056 01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,800 do countries have the right to keep uh 3057 01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,960 ufo data to themselves 3058 01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:35,040 uh when it when it implicates the entire 3059 01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:36,000 world 3060 01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,520 um you know any more than they have the 3061 01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:39,119 right to keep you know pandemic 3062 01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,880 information to themselves you know is 3063 01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:42,000 there uh 3064 01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:43,360 you know 3065 01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:47,199 with this that that you're exactly right 3066 01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,599 it's a much bigger picture than simply 3067 01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,719 deciding that we're going to study 3068 01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,719 something that we've ridiculed for 50 3069 01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,400 years 3070 01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:56,239 and then yes but i'll tell you this too 3071 01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:57,760 from my perspective 3072 01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,280 um you can imagine as a science guy okay 3073 01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,360 when i see something that doesn't match 3074 01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,360 my science 3075 01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,280 i could go down one of two paths i could 3076 01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,520 go down the path that says well i just 3077 01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:11,199 must not understand what's going on here 3078 01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,719 it's probably something 3079 01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,960 ordinary that i'm mistaken 3080 01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,040 and then dismiss it i get that a lot 3081 01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,119 some people do that on the other hand i 3082 01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,520 could say hmm this might be something 3083 01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,960 more than 3084 01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,199 it appears to be i'm gonna have an open 3085 01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,199 mind i'm gonna try and investigate it 3086 01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:29,040 and that's the path i took ever since i 3087 01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:32,400 was nine years old actually so i really 3088 01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:34,960 i really feel that that's important i 3089 01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,080 know that the that countries do as as 3090 01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,639 ted was saying countries do segregate 3091 01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:42,880 data and keep it from the others i know 3092 01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,159 that because 3093 01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:46,639 um i've had experiences with this 3094 01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,679 working uh for the navy and so forth uh 3095 01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:51,760 i went to siena sub and martin knows the 3096 01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:53,599 story um 3097 01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,880 i'm not gonna go through the whole thing 3098 01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:56,639 but basically something was seen on 3099 01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:58,000 board the sub 3100 01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:01,040 and um it was an object moving through 3101 01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,119 the sonar very very brief 3102 01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,520 and the sonar tech reported it to the 3103 01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:07,520 executive officer as moving several 3104 01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,320 hundred knots underwater 3105 01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:13,199 now that's per hour yeah several hundred 3106 01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,239 knots yeah 3107 01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,719 per hour yeah 3108 01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:18,800 it didn't move several hundred knots it 3109 01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,840 moved several hundred knots per hour 3110 01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,760 no knots are a 3111 01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,840 velocity 3112 01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:27,840 oh god i've been on i've been on the 3113 01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,360 ocean for years and i didn't know 3114 01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:33,599 we won't tell anybody sorry gasping i'm 3115 01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,639 telling you 3116 01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:36,080 it's just between us 3117 01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,760 i agree 3118 01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,199 it's right and 3119 01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,960 left right 3120 01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,840 no 3121 01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,199 yeah all right 3122 01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:45,840 i know uh just just keep in mind though 3123 01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,560 we do have um we do have one more caller 3124 01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,080 i'd like to squeeze them in 3125 01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:52,880 but go ahead wrap that up if you would 3126 01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:54,880 yeah okay so i was just saying that you 3127 01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:57,040 know science um you know 3128 01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,639 seeing things that didn't match my 3129 01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,719 science and then uh seeing that thing on 3130 01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:02,639 the boat was incredible and then talking 3131 01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,840 to one of the joint chiefs when i had to 3132 01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,080 do a project for him down in washington 3133 01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:08,320 uh and i asked him about this program 3134 01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,679 called the fast mover program because 3135 01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:11,280 that's what they call it on the boat 3136 01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,000 uh he said to me i can't talk about the 3137 01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:15,599 program i'm sorry 3138 01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,880 whoa 3139 01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,320 that was by the way 3140 01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:20,320 decades before the nimitz incident just 3141 01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:21,760 so you know 3142 01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:22,560 yeah 3143 01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:24,800 so i feel like i could go another two 3144 01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,159 hours because i have 3145 01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:28,080 many questions for both of the both of 3146 01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,280 you here 3147 01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:31,040 but anyway let's uh let's try to get 3148 01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:32,719 thank you very much for the call there 3149 01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:35,040 gasper and now we have stephen on the 3150 01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:36,880 line from michigan stephen you're live 3151 01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,119 on the air 3152 01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,280 uh mr willis thank you for what you do 3153 01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,199 and and to ted and mark thank you for 3154 01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,040 the conversation i'll make my uh 3155 01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:47,280 question uh quick and concise 3156 01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:51,040 um in regards to to public safety um i'm 3157 01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:53,440 curious as to and feel free to speculate 3158 01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,480 um 3159 01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:56,880 these encounters i've there are multiple 3160 01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:59,599 stories where either encounters are 3161 01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:01,920 awe-inspiring and benellen the aerial 3162 01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,280 phenomenon 3163 01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:05,360 messages being sent 3164 01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:06,560 with 3165 01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,199 concern for the planet and humans but 3166 01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,599 then you also hear stories of abductions 3167 01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,400 and um things done to us without our 3168 01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,800 consent and so i guess my question is if 3169 01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:18,560 you had to speculate and if you had to 3170 01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:19,440 guess 3171 01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,560 um 3172 01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,400 do these things lie more on the 3173 01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:24,719 benevolent side or the malevolent side 3174 01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:27,280 or say 50 shades of gray some are good 3175 01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,119 some are bad but i'd love to hear your 3176 01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:30,639 thoughts on this and thank you for all 3177 01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:31,679 that you do 3178 01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:34,159 well thank you very much now stephen 3179 01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:35,440 i'll just 3180 01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,280 really quick i'll throw this in 3181 01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:39,119 i just uh 3182 01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,679 well a documentary two hour documentary 3183 01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,560 that uh me ben hansen and melissa tittle 3184 01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,159 just worked on in the hudson valley was 3185 01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:48,840 called alien invasion hudson 3186 01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,599 valley yeah thank you martin and the 3187 01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,599 thing is um 3188 01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,960 we went there thinking we're going to 3189 01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,800 try and find out what's going on in the 3190 01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,360 hudson valley it turned out we ended up 3191 01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:01,280 going there to find answers for all the 3192 01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:03,040 many people 3193 01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,400 that actually 3194 01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:06,719 felt they had had encounters of all 3195 01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:09,040 different kinds okay the the 3196 01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:10,800 investigation was focused on the town of 3197 01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:12,000 pine bush 3198 01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,599 and if you're in the area september 4th 3199 01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:15,520 pine bush has a wonderful ufo fair i'll 3200 01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,880 be speaking there lee speaker will be 3201 01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:18,480 there richard dolan will be there and 3202 01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,920 we'll all be talking 3203 01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:21,199 it's going to be and willis will be 3204 01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,800 there yeah 3205 01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:24,080 right there okay right there he's going 3206 01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:25,840 to be there yes 3207 01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,480 um and um but the point is that it 3208 01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:29,920 wasn't supposed to be like a commercial 3209 01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,920 there i was just trying to say the 3210 01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,560 people in pine bush have been terrorized 3211 01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:36,320 and terrified 3212 01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,000 by things that have gone on here how 3213 01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,239 about this 3 000 cases there in the last 3214 01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,480 10 years 3 000 3215 01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:44,080 amazing they're not reporting every bird 3216 01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:46,080 that they photograph badly they're 3217 01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:47,360 talking about 3218 01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:49,760 town-wide things that happen 3219 01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:51,360 many people looking in the sky people 3220 01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:52,960 with witnesses saying what is that holy 3221 01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,239 cow it's got these lights what's it 3222 01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,920 doing and why do they have lights we 3223 01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:57,199 don't even know it's probably a 3224 01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,719 consequence of their propulsion for all 3225 01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:01,920 we know so a lot of things going on and 3226 01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:04,000 and and pine bush seems to be the center 3227 01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,320 it's the ufo capital of the world 3228 01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:07,920 so you know 3229 01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,679 these these people would not say it's 3230 01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:11,760 benevolent these people i had people 3231 01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:13,040 terrified to come out of their homes to 3232 01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,639 talk to us 3233 01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:16,719 and they basically came out 3234 01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:19,119 just because we said we're going to get 3235 01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,639 them answers and they are terrified so 3236 01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:24,159 they don't think it's benevolent they 3237 01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:25,920 actually think they feel attacked to be 3238 01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:26,840 honest with 3239 01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,679 you well i would argue that something 3240 01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:31,440 happened 3241 01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,360 we don't have any time i'm real sorry to 3242 01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,920 say but we are totally out of time 3243 01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:38,000 and mark uh mark i'll see you there in 3244 01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:41,119 10 days and um 3245 01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:42,719 something happened to mark there it's on 3246 01:56:48,189 --> 01:56:45,520 discovery plus check it out and ted real 3247 01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,199 quickly how can someone find you online 3248 01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:50,800 narcan.org um you can reach me through 3249 01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:53,599 the contact us you can call me uh i want 3250 01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:55,199 to hear from all of you guys you know 3251 01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:56,719 and check in with me mark but we've got 3252 01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:59,119 some notes to compare i think um and if 3253 01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:01,440 anybody connect you to yeah 3254 01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,280 right and i try to talk to everybody i 3255 01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:05,440 answer the phone so if you call me i'll 3256 01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:08,000 i'll talk to you so all right thanks 3257 01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:09,840 thanks we are totally out of time thank 3258 01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:11,840 you both so much i really had a lot of 3259 01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,920 fun and i'll i'll send you both on a 3260 01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:15,840 common email to connect to you take care 3261 01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:16,880 but thank you 3262 01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:20,159 thank you for 10 days yeah 3263 01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:22,320 bye all right next week we have martin 3264 01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:25,280 keller on the penn space club i'm not 3265 01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:27,119 sure what that's about but you have to 3266 01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:28,800 check it out it ought to be a fun show 3267 01:57:34,690 --> 01:57:30,800 talk to you next week and remember to 3268 01:57:43,250 --> 01:57:34,700 keep your eyes to the sky